Italian .50 Cal Percussion Rifle

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  1. SwedeSteve

    SwedeSteve Freedom Zealot Forum Contributor

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    I picked one up today in near excellent condition, $150. There's some slight rust in the bore. Do I just scrub it with hot soapy water and a bore brush, or what ??

    I know how to do the cleaning rod thing to determine rate of twist. But since it won't do a complete revolution in the length of the barrel, is there a better trick available ??

    It is a copy, ALMOST of a Hawken. With brass furniture. I want to turn it into a subdued Hunter. Any recommendations on how to tone down the brass (forend cap, trigger guard, and patch box) ?? Maybe sand, prime and paint a "browned color ??



    Any help is mucho appreciated guys !! I bought a package of 10 each round balls with patches, conicals, and sabots to try it out. It uses No 11 caps and I understand that FFg is the way to go ??

    Pics to follow !!
     
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  2. mouser868

    mouser868 G&G Evangelist

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    Congrats on the acquisition. I prefer Pyrodex in my muzzle-loaders but FFg will work. Does the rifle have a brand name on it??
     
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  3. SwedeSteve

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    Nope. Just Made in Italy !!
     
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  4. SwedeSteve

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    Imported by Investarms.
     
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    If it has a capitol I on it it's an Investarms. Rate of twist is most likely 1:48. Take your tightly patched ramrod and insert it all the way into barrel and mark it at muzzle in line with front sight. Pull it out until it makes a 1/4 turn and mark it at muzzle again. Measure distance between marks and multiply by 4. If your barrel is long enough or twist is fast enough you can do a half turn and double it. If it's an Investarms Hawken you can get steel furniture for the TC Hawken to replace the brass. The Investarms, TC, CVA Hawkens are not even close to a real Hawken. They do bear a good resemblance to a Tryon trade rifle from the mid 1870's tho.
     
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    SwedeSteve Freedom Zealot Forum Contributor

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    Rebel- I was reading up on the Tryon Rifle yesterday. Very interesting read actually. The rifle I picked up says Investarms on the barrel. As far as rate of twist goes, 1:48 probably won't stabilize a conical or such will it ?? Gonna have to be a round ball shooter maybe ??

    Also, I can't seem to find a picture of an authentic Hawken-style rifle.
     
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    1:48 is supposed to be like a happy medium between the conicals and the round balls. You'll just have to experiment with it a bit and see what it likes.
     
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    Steve it will do very well with conicals. I used one for years until I got my custom built Hawken. I used home cast Lee Reals and home cast maxi balls with very good results. They do require a short starter tho. I tried sabots when they first came out and they were deplorable. They may be better now than they were then.

    This is mine built off blueprints made from an original.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks rebel !!
     
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    grizcty God, Guns, Glory

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    Rebel,
    Nice looking rifle.
    When you gonna post pictures of yours Steve?
     
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    Yeah Steve, until we see pictures it is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.
     
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  12. SwedeSteve

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    OK !! You schmuks win !! A pic or two in the morning !!!
     
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    Ummmm, I hate to bring this up but it's afternoon already. :D
     
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    ^ Maybe at your house !! Ok Ok !! Just a plain-jane muzzle loader. Will fix it up and personalize her a bit after I shoot her !! 28" bbl with 1/2" flats. Double set triggers. Brass furniture.
     

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    Nice rifle
     
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    I guess its not bad for $150 !! Just hope she shoots straight.
     
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    What's the best way to clean the bore ?? Hot soapy water, or ?? What about lubing it up ??
     
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  18. grizcty

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    This Schmuck, says.
    Nice looking rifle!
     
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    Here in schmucksville it looks pretty nice. A good friend who had a lot of BP firearms used the hot water and soap routine. He said no need wasting any money on anything special to clean them. He did use Miltech-1 lubricant though others are probably just fine.
     
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  20. sniper762

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    i had one just like it with a chromed bore. loved it. killed several deer with it.
     
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