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Lead bullets and gas checks

Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by Ninja Piper, Feb 2, 2010.

  1. Ninja Piper

    Ninja Piper G&G Evangelist

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    I just got a bag of lead bullets from gwhaling (thanks!) and I was wondering if I needed gas checks, or if it would be okay without them. Here is the set up I was planning on;

    140 gr lead bullets
    6.0 gr accurate #2 powder
    CCI 500 primers

    For 5.9 gr (the starting load) the velocity is 1,016, and the max load of 6.6 gr gets 1,155.

    What say you?


     
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  2. BaserRonin

    BaserRonin G&G Evangelist

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    I need more information. You only need gas checks on high pressure loads. Typically magnums.


    Edit: pulled this from wikipedia, which explains it pretty close

     
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  3. samuel

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    still wrong ,,,sam.
     
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  4. Ninja Piper

    Ninja Piper G&G Evangelist

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    Thanks guys! This means I can start loading these tonight!
     
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  5. Ninja Piper

    Ninja Piper G&G Evangelist

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    Okay, I measured each of the bullets and they all vary from 138.8 gr to 139.8 gr. I don't think that using the 140 gr data for just a 1.2 gr variance at the most shouldn't cause too much of an issue since I am only going .1 gr over the start load. I know I am asking a bunch of dumb questions, but I would rather be called an idiot and have all my fingers than guess and have to buy a new gun...
     
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  6. samuel

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    And again ,,,sam.
     
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  7. gandog56

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    Load 'em up!:D
     
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  8. Ninja Piper

    Ninja Piper G&G Evangelist

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    I didn't cast them myself, I got them from gwhaling. I am not sure if he cast them, or got them some other way. I'm not planning on casting bullets myself for a while yet. I will be checking the dia tonight after Lost... If they fit right, I'll be loading them up tonight.
     
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  9. jimkim

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    Look at the bullets. If the base is a smaller shank(compared to the major diameter of the bullet) it can take a gascheck.
    Lyman Products Your Primary Source for Reloading Equipment
     
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  10. samuel

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    wrong!
     
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  11. jimkim

    jimkim G&G Enthusiast

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    According to my book, putting a gascheck on a plain base bullet is not safe. I hope to hear why, from RCBS soon. I will post their response.
     
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  12. Ninja Piper

    Ninja Piper G&G Evangelist

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    Thanks for the good info jim! I went ahead and loaded without the gas checks. The dia. was the same all the way down the bullet. I am probably going to the range tomorrow so I will let you guys know how it worked out! Thanks again!
     
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  13. Mooseman684

    Mooseman684 G&G Evangelist

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    Easy guys...
    Lets keep this thread productive...
     
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  14. samuel

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    If some Company says something is unsafe I would advise and expect everyone to follow "their" advice/instructions. ,,,sam.
     
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  15. Mooseman684

    Mooseman684 G&G Evangelist

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    Ive never been able to properly put a gas check on a Non-gas check bullet unless it had a tapered base smaller than the OD of the Gas check and would go into the ID of the check....anything else would deform or shave the bullet.
     
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  16. samuel

    samuel G&G Newbie

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    Now,I hope this ends.Even tho I put gas checks on tens of thousands of flatbase bullets and shot them with nary a glitch,any one of them could have blown up in the past 25 or so yrs.I was wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong!All I can say about it is I WAS WRONG!!!(even tho it worked for me,I could have been blown into hamburger any minute in the last several years!) ,,,sam.
     
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  17. jimkim

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    I doubt I will ever have as much experience as you Sam. I mean, you've been loading since RCBS was just called R. :joke:
     
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    I only put gas checks on bullets made for them. If the base of your bullet is a driving band I don't see a need for a gas check.
     
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    there ain't a reason to put a g/c on a flat based boolit.
    you might not get much over 1600 fps but who cares in a revolver cartridge.
    the higher pressure runds might want one but i'd rather adjust the load.
    i'm guessing this is in a 357 here, but some designs are designed for accuracy not velocity.
    i'd still start at the low end and work up especially with a fast powder.
    lead does not respond like jacketed that plain don't care.
    your velocities sound like a 9mm not a 38 so i guessed at the 357.
    i'd recommend a slower powder like 2400 or slower for the vels you mentioned.
    just remember this when you see the leading.
     
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  20. Ninja Piper

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    Sorry, I should have mentioned that it is in a .40 S&W, M&P
     
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