I've decided not to get the R25. I've been shooting lots of ARs and have decided on getting another one instead for now. I think I posted a while back on six or seven different ARs. The one that was in my top three in nearly every category tested was a DPMS. It wasn't the BEST rifle, but other than the S&W (best over all), it was in the most frequent show on my list. I think I probably sold the DPMS short. I found a stripped lower for $100. Counting all other parts and all the CA BS, It'll cost me $300. The complete upper is $360 +shipping. I have sights already, so I don't need that. The rifle will total out to a little under $700. Not a bad deal for a pretty good rifle in the PRK. I'll also have the satisfaction of building my own.