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Marlin 336 30-30 cast reloads

Discussion in 'Marlin' started by Para Cassatt, May 22, 2010.

  1. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

    May 18, 2010
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    I had an article a while back that had some good recipes, but misplaced it. I cannot remember what the old load was that I used and most manuals are faster than the recommended ,below 1600 fps. I have 170gr. Oregon trail bullets gas checked and seems like the old load would keep about a 2" group at 50 yrds or so. I appreciate any suggestions.

  2. runfiverun

    runfiverun G&G Evangelist

    Jan 29, 2008
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    the 30-30 is one that will run cast as fast as jacketed.
    i have used h-414,3031,4895, and currently use aa-2230.
    but all these loads are over 2100 fps so not much help for you.
    try 10 grs unique.
  3. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

    May 18, 2010
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    Thanks. I was also considering something like a 4198 or 4227. Let you know tomorrow how it works.
  4. gandog56

    gandog56 G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Oct 8, 2006
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    Only one I have is 16.7 grains of 2400, 170 grain bullet, which runs at about 1800 fps. But that was with using copper gas checks.
  5. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

    May 18, 2010
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    Thanks for the help.
    I cut open an old load that I crushed the case mouth on to find 16 grs. of RL-7. Great small game load for iron sights.
  6. Ten Man

    Ten Man G&G Evangelist

    Jul 28, 2009
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    Do you not keep records of your reloading or mark the boxes with the load data?
  7. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

    May 18, 2010
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    Guilty as charged. I didn't always follow good practices 10 years ago. I am still finding better ways to keep such data. I now write the load and manual it's from on small batch test loads right on the cartridge. On larger batches I just write it on the ones in front and it all goes in the notebook.
  8. jimkim

    jimkim G&G Evangelist

    Mar 4, 2008
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    There are plenty of cast 30-30 loads on the net. Do you remember who the article was written by, Taffin, Kelly, Junior Doughty?

    Levergun loads .30-30 Winchester: Taffin shares a host of good loads for one of our most-used, but least-praised rifle cartridges | Guns Magazine | Find Articles at BNET
    PawPaw's House: More on cast loads
    30-30 Varmint Loads
    Optimum Accuracy with Cast Bullets in a 30-30 Winchester Model 94

    There are plenty more. Just Google "30-30 Cast load data" .
    The Oregon Trail data can be found here.

    The Lyman manual has some pretty good loads in it too.
    Lyman Reloading Handbook 49th Edition
    .30 WCF / .30-30 Winchester
    cases: Winchester; trim-to length: 2.028"; primers: Winchester WLR (except where otherwise specified in remarks); primer size: Large Rifle; firearm used: Universal Receiver; barrel length: 24"; twist: 1-12"; groove dia.: .308"

    173gr Lyman Gas Check #311041

    Alliant Unique
    7.0gr@1240fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 21,600 cup
    10.6gr@1555fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 35,500 cup

    Alliant Herco
    8.5gr@1281fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 25,800 cup
    11.0gr@1505fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 33,000 cup

    IMR SR-4756
    7.0gr@1102fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 19,800 cup
    10.5gr@1423fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 36,400 cup

    Alliant 2400
    14.5@1586fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 27,000 cup
    19.0gr@1909fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 36,600 cup

    IMR SR-4759
    15.5gr@1613fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 23,700 cup; CCI 200 primer
    17.7gr@1803fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 32,600 cup; CCI 200 primer

    17.0gr@1615fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 26,100 cup
    22.0gr@1983fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 34,800 cup

    Accurate 5744
    18.0gr@1605fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 26,100 cup
    24.0gr@2019fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 36,000 cup

    18.0gr@1602fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 23,200 cup; potentially most accurate load
    23.5gr@1999fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 31,400 cup

    Alliant RL-7
    20.0gr@1632fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 19,800 cup; CCI 200 primer
    28.6gr@2165fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 34,500 cup; CCI 200 primer

    21.5gr@1555fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 20,100 cup; CCI 200 primer
    27.0gr@2016fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 31,300 cup; CCI 200 primer

    22.0gr@1596fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 23,200 cup; CCI 200 primer
    30.0gr@2254fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 33,800 cup; CCI 200 primer

    25.0gr@1613fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 22,500 cup; CCI 200 primer
    35.0gr@2270fps, max load; compressed load; OAL: 2.510"; 32,900 cup; CCI 200 primer

    IMR Trail Boss
    8.0gr@1054fps, start load; OAL: 2.510"; 31,300 cup
    8.5gr@1102fps, max load; OAL: 2.510"; 37,400 cup
    Last edited: May 23, 2010
  9. Tracer

    Tracer G&G Aussie Dad

    Jan 24, 2008
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    as posted before, I like the blue painters tape on a sandwich bag then stick it next to the group fired.Also workes on boxes.trail boss is a good cast bullet powder.Welcome back to reloading!
  10. res45

    res45 G&G Regular

    Jul 23, 2007
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    I out a few cast loads through the old Wi. 30-30 yesterday. My first load was 8 grs. of IMR SR-4756 behind a Lee 170 gr. RNFP with no gas check double tumble lubes runs just a little over 1150 fps. on the chrono,no leading very accurate and no recoil.

    The second load was 28 grs. of H-335 same bullet double lubed with a GC velocity runs just a little over 2000 fps. average same accuracy with a bit more felt recoil. makes a excellent deer hunting load.
  11. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

    May 18, 2010
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    Thanks for all the help, that's alot of data. I am thinking my old loads were from Rifle or Handloader mag but can't be certain. It was Marlin only data and could be 8 to 10 years old, perhaps even anoyher mag.
    Rain blew out the berm so range time was short to due to repair.I tried 3 loads today though and one was great.These were fired iron sights at 50 yrds standing w/ shooting sticks.
    18 grs. IMR 4198 w/ OT 170gr GC ( 1-5 shot grp. @ 1 1/8")
    16.5 grs. IMR 4227 " " " " ( 1- 5 shot grp. @ 1 3/4")
    10 grs Unique " " " " ( 1- 5 shot grp. @ 2 7/8")
    I will testing out the 4198 more soon along with the recipes you guys gave me. I look forward to checking those links as well.
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