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Need help. I seen a very early Bushmaster #709

Discussion in 'AR15' started by Stock Doc, Mar 21, 2002.

  1. Stock Doc

    Stock Doc G&G Evangelist

    I seen a Bushmaster serial 709 and it had wooden stocks on it. Darn thing resembled a AR-15 but had a llot of different machine work. What was this? When did they make it? Was it a home version? The serial number was on the upper receiver also. Maybe one day I can get a photo of it I stopped in teh shop I go to and a regualr was there with it. Thanks,,RIck B
     
  2. JIMM

    JIMM G&G Newbie

    stockdoc are you lost this isn't the m1 page. when you get back over ther I might have a question for you.
     

  3. Stock Doc

    Stock Doc G&G Evangelist

    Hey stop that hehehehe. I am surprised no one knows about this weird looking M16 or Ar-15 prototype? I guess I will have to get the guy to let me take some pictures. I know that will peak interest's.
    Jimm by the way I own many rifles and frequesnt many boards which can be hard to remember when and where I posted sometimes. I think the linseed oil and alcohol stains are part of that problem hahahahahah Rick B
     
  4. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    Does it have a folding stock? I think that's something called the Bushmaster Assault Rifle, which was made using surplus M16 parts back when that was legal. Everything that's not M16 is Bushmaster. Not too familiar with it myself, but I'm pretty sure it's not a prototype M16.
     
  5. ORIGINAL BUSHMASTER?

    THE ORIGINAL BUSHMASTERS ALSO CAME IN A PISTOL FORM. THE RECIEVER ROTATES ABOUT 45 DEG EITHER SIDE OF VERTICLE. HAS SHEET METAL SIGHTS. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY AT SHOWS FOR YEARS. HAS A GREAT FEEL JUST THE SAME.
    DANA
     
  6. Jesse

    Jesse G&G Newbie Forum Contributor

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    I remember those. The last one I saw was in a 1987 Guns and Ammo Buyer's Guide. Boy how things have changed.
     
  7. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    I've seen a Bushmaster pistol for 800ish at the PAGC gun show, but the new ones won't allow them. Personally, I think they're way too friggin big. It's a bullpup configuration and looked like a rifle except for the lack of a decent handguard, barrel, or buttstock. Oh well, to each his own.
     
  8. BUSHMASTER PISTOL

    RUMOR WAS THE AIRFORCE LOOKED AT THEM BUT NEVER BOUGHT. IT STILL LOOKS GOOD AS PART OF A COLLECTION . AS YOU SAY IT IS A FORM OF A BULL PUP AND OVER LARGE FOR A PISTOL. HOWEVER THE PISTOL VERSIONS OF THE M15 ARE NOT MUCH BETER
     
  9. Stock Doc

    Stock Doc G&G Evangelist

    This looked almost Identical in all aspects except cruder. The wooden stock was cut a bit differnet kind of like kids blocks. The upper recevier had the serial numbers on it and was more sqaure. I wished I took some photos and still will try to get him to bring it back to hte shop for photo's. It was neat and differnt. Rick B
     
  10. rhavindog

    rhavindog G&G Newbie

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    bushmaster assault rifle

    I have #309 (first "batch" with all the design problems.)
    This is a fun gun to shoot. its the companion rifle for the "armpistol" bullpup. it uses all m16 internals (presumably military takeoffs) including a very early m16 bolt with NO gas rings. a stamped sheet upper like an ak with a milled aluminum lower like an ar. it is pistol driven with the return springs mounted over the piston. mine is a folding stock. Ive fixed many design errors...the left folding stock with a left charging handle was a nice one,its now a right side folder....shortened the barrel (will soon be an sbr, but 16.25 inches for now) new style gas block etc. fun gun with little or no recoil with hot "wolf" ammo (the chamber is horrible so it gets crap ammo....the ar gets the handloads) but was worth the 200 my wife spent on it for my b-day
     
  11. geof300

    geof300 G&G Newbie

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    Bushmaster "assault rifle" feed problems

    I read the above post and wondered if anyone else has experience with one of these early Bushmasters...I have #1500 and I would love to make it work better. I can only string together a few successful shots before a bolt over-run on the top round in the mag. The other situation is round slams into the chamber face. Possibly need to install a feed ramp? Mag isn't deep enough into the receiver? Ideas appreciated. Thanks.
     
  12. Herndon

    Herndon G&G Newbie

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    I use to have one in the early 90's. I had the same problem when I used Gov. Issued mags, mine only worked with colt mags. :rocketwhore:
     
  13. jmp8927

    jmp8927 G&G Evangelist

    Thread resurrection!
     
  14. Mojo

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    it seems like a couple of people brought a shovel for this thread LOL

    I've never seen this gun people are speaking of, sounds kinda cool for a collectors stand point. BUT!.....NEVER change the gun to work "better" in you opinion or to fit your needs/wants. its better to leave a collectors gun like this as is! you'll get more money if you sell it.
     
  15. bombdoghandler

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    I have one that is #50! I would like to sell it. I live in columbus Ohio, if anyone is interested. I would be willing to trade for a good CCH gun. or about four hundred bucks. Email me @ bombdoghandler@hotmail.com if interested.
     
  16. Sandor Kassar

    Sandor Kassar G&G Newbie

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    The Early Bushmasters were not trying to duplicate the M-16's

    The Early Bushmasters were not trying to duplicate the M-16's, they were trying to take the best of both the M-16 and the AK-47, which has a well-proven track record as well, especially in its air system.

    I don't remember what year I bought mine. (I think the serial number is 00993.) but it works like a champ. :AR15firing:

    What I remember from their ads at the time, they said they had purchased a bunch of M-16 parts and had decided to create a new weapon that had most of the internal workings of an M-16, but incorporated the blow-back system of an AK-47. The M-16 lets escaping gas go back to unlock and push back the bolt, whereas the AK (and these early Bushmasters) used a piston rod to unlock and push back the bolt and bolt carrier.

    They also used a heavy hunk of steel for the bolt carrier which lowered the cyclic time. This was primarily useful in the full-auto versions.

    In creating the semi-auto version, they used an altered fire-select lever and left out the auto-sear. (The hammer is the M-16 type, but there is no drill hole for the autosear pin. The auto version of the fire select lever would have an extra piece of metal that holds the semi-auto sear out of the way when Auto is selected, but they cast new ones that would only allow semi-auto fire.)

    Three-shot-burst had not been introduced in these early versions.

    I cannot help the fellow with the feed problems as mine has always fed flawlessly. I have never had a jam or stove-pipe or anything of that sort. I would not think it was a problem with the mag too high or too low, as all of the guns should have been machined identically. I would check with things like the magazines you are using, that they are not sprung or something. Believe it or not, I have heard that some of the guys back in the Nam used an empty mag. to pop the caps off soda-pop (beer) bottles, then wondered why they developed feed problems with their M-16s.

    The only problem I've had that caused a temporary feed problem was when the air-piston return spring was hanging up, and I was in the fireld at the time and "fixed it" by chopping off 2 or 3 coils off the spring. I stretched the spring a bit and threw it back together and it worked fine.

    Since then I have forgotten about the problem (until now) as that seemed to permanently fix it.


    Over the years (with many hundred rounds through it) I have only had two problems with mine.

    (1) (described above) the air-piston return spring (whatever it is properly called) started sticking/catching. I figured out that it was just a skosh too long, so I clipped off about 2 to 3 turns off the spring and stretched it a wee bit. I have had no trouble with that ever since.

    (2) The other trouble was that a weld broke on the left-swinging folding stock, while the weapon was still fairly new. For that, I sent it back to Bushmaster, and besides apologizing that it had left the factory with only a tack-weld, they replaced it with a new one that was fully welded. I have had no further trouble with that either.

    Hope some of that is useful from a historical perspective. I have wondered why I never see any of those early Bushmasters on sale. I guess the people who have one don't want to part with it. (Like me)

    Ok, sorry, but I give up on how to put pictures on here.

    Oh, and mine *could be* the only one with a rail and scope mount... :)
     
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  17. Sandor Kassar

    Sandor Kassar G&G Newbie

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    I put a 3x-9x scope on mine, which makes it a nice hunting gun, even if it is technically an "assault rifle".

    Anyone else put a rail mount on theirs?

    Someone above said to leave it in pristine condition as a collector's item. That depends on what you want from a weapon. I personally want one that is useful, so I (carefully) put screws through the top stamping for the sight rail and then filed them smooth inside, so they would not catch the slide as it moves back and forth.

    Wish I could post a picture or two, but since I can't, for those who want to know what one looks like, I see a similarity in general looks between the old-style Bushmasters and the Armalite AR-180 with its stamped out flat top (no carry handle) and its left-side folding-stock.
    The charging handle/knurled knob is on the left rather than the right as on the AR-180, so your right hand can stay on the pistol-grip while manually loading the weapon.

    Of course, as mentioned earlier, the internal action is not like the AR, but strictly M-16. (Luckily it is a grandfathered "Pre-Ban" rifle. :) )
     
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  18. Pothole

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  19. Sandor Kassar

    Sandor Kassar G&G Newbie

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    I think a couple of them were talking about the Bullpup model, but I believe the original poster was speaking of the Bushmaster Assault Rifle such as I still have. For instance he mentioned the wooden grips and that is what mine looks like. AR15/M16 style but with a squarish stamped receiver. The forearm is wood (painted black) with a cross-section that is not quite as triangular as the original M16s but is still wider/thicker at bottom than top.

    I also had a bullpup design years ago, but did not care for it.
    The picture you have there is essentially a .223 "auto-pistol" that lays on your forearm and is fired "from the hip". It was strictly made to use firing full auto, such as to lay down covering fire, and in the semi-auto version was basically worthless in my opinion. I remember trading mine for a .357 magnum. Technically less money, but much more useful. :)
     
  20. bombdoghandler

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    Still looking to sell or trade, fellas! Someone offered me 700 bucks a few years ago. I would take a trade on a Taurus Judge or S&W bodyguard.