New Caliber, Federal 30 Super Carry

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BarryHalls

Discussion Starter · Jan 6, 2022

It's a 32 with the length and energies of 9mm for a +2 capacity over 9mm in micro compact pistols. Capacity and energy favor the new 30 Super over the .380 for guns like the SW EZ and Ruger LC that come in 9 or 380. Could be interesting. I'll eagerly await decent ballistic testing comparison to the 380. A .40 converted down to .30 would make a very fun target pistol. I'd love to see the new .30 in a sub gun/AR/PCC.

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NEW 30 Super Carry Handgun Caliber ⋆ Primer Peak

Today we learned of a new, unannounced, handgun caliber, the 30 Super Carry. Check out the details in our preview!

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ChaZam

· #2 · Jan 6, 2022

More info...

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30 Super Carry Review: A Critical Look and Comparison

Federal's newest cartridge has just been announced, the 30 Super Carry. Check out our MUST READ FIRST article on this new cartridge.

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mouser868

· #3 · Jan 6, 2022

ChaZam said:
More info...

30 Super Carry Review: A Critical Look and Comparison

Federal's newest cartridge has just been announced, the 30 Super Carry. Check out our MUST READ FIRST article on this new cartridge.

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I think I would rather have bigger holes in bad guys, the bigger the better in my opinion. To me it seems they are trying to reinvent the wheel.

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mauser9

· #4 · Jan 6, 2022

Yeah just heard about this myself. Gotta wonder about this stuff. Sometimes ask myself why do we need it? Guess makers feel "money to be made"

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MosinRuger

· #5 · Jan 6, 2022

yeah idk, 9mm is pretty much the sweet spot. i mean, sure + 2 rounds would be nice, but i dont think this will really catch on.

its very similar to what federal did with the .327 fed mag. its like a .357 but alittle smaller diameter, supposedly allows a small revolver or more capacity, and also less recoil than .357.

but.. i dont think that its better enough to overcome the market density of the common calibers out there.

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MosinRuger

· #6 · Jan 6, 2022

mauser9 said:
Yeah just heard about this myself. Gotta wonder about this stuff. Sometimes ask myself why do we need it? Guess makers feel "money to be made"

while i kinda agree, its also good to see a company trying to innovate and push the industry/ rtechnology farther down the road.

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Jim Rau

· #7 · Jan 6, 2022

It is all about $$$$$$$, not NEED. If it ain't broke, fix it until it is!!!!!

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DWFan

· #8 · Jan 6, 2022

No offense but I hope someone produces .30SC barrels for a 1911 because, if they do, I'll grab one and rechamber it to 7.62x25.

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graybeard

· #9 · Jan 6, 2022

I believe this may be an attempt to establish options for newer handgunners, maybe some women shooters and ALL lobcock leftist handgun owners,
The 12 round vs. 10 round capacity is moot I think.... In commie states with a 10 round capacity limit, 12 rounds aint gonna matter.

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Junction15

· #10 · Jan 7, 2022 (Edited)

So, ballistically, the 30 Super Carry is a rimless 327 Federal Magnum. Bullet diameter and weights are the same.The 30 SC case is 0.031" shorter (which is not really much) than the 327.

I guess we shall see how many police organizations adopt it, if any.
I like the performance of my 327. And I especially like that reloads don't take a lot of powder to hit top velocities. Recoil can be stiff but isn't bad. I haven't quite thought of it as a self defense caliber. It's been more of a woods carry gun for me.

Edit: 01/24/22 - I saw some junk emails that got me to thinking on the subject. I learned that I misread the link showing the cartridge specs and took the OAL cartridge length of the 30 SC as the case length. So I was incorrect in my comment when I said the 30 SC is just 0.031" shorter than the 327 Federal Magnum case length. It is actually 0.373" shorter than the 327 case.
Interestingly, the 30SC can operate up to 50 ksi while the 327 max is 45ksi. So the shorter cartridge is loaded a little hotter. The 327 has a LOT of "bark" in my SP-101. The 30SC likely has more.
None of this likely means much to folks. I just wanted to correct my error.

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DWFan

· #11 · Jan 7, 2022 (Edited)

I wonder what the ballistics of the 9mm would be if loaded to 50 Kpsi?

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BigEd63

· #12 · Jan 7, 2022

DWFan said:
No offense but I hope someone produces .30SC barrels for a 1911 because, if they do, I'll grab one and rechamber it to 7.62x25.

Bingo!
Now this is where IMHO, they really missed the boat; twice.
First, IMHO for what it does the .327Fedreral is pretty good and for published data is pretty close to the .30Tok.

I had hoped to his cartridge was going to be something very similar and in the class of the above two. But shading towards the .30Tok.,.
Or even a rebranding akin to the .300Whisper now being the .300BlackOut.
Oh well.😑

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TACAV

· #13 · Jan 7, 2022

Junction15 said:
So, ballistically, the 30 Super Carry is a rimless 327 Federal Magnum. Bullet diameter and weights are the same.The 30 SC case is 0.031" shorter (which is not really much) than the 327.
I guess we shall see how many police organizations adopt it, if any.

Im gonna go ahead and predict zero not counting some random LEOs' off duty carry.

The last two non standard calibers that were mass adopted by LE in the US was .45 GAP (which had a couple state police agencies and a few local ones) and the more popular .357 SIG which had both state and local level police level adoption and some federal organizations carrying it like the US Secret Service and the US Air Marshalls. All of those agencies have since moved to .45 ACP or 9mm.

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TACAV

· #14 · Jan 7, 2022

I forgot to mention in my last post that while this caliber might not end up being very popular here in the US, it may see a lot more sucess elsewhere in the world. While the United State's might have the most open gun laws, we are by far not the only country in the world where citizens can own and carry firearms for self protection... even if it is a lot more restrictive.

In many of those countries (especially some in South/Central America and Europe) they limit the caliber size of what the average (non military/police) citizen can privately own.

In many countries "military calibers" are banned from private use/possession. In some countries that's 9mm luger that is banned or like in Mexico anything above a case diameter of .38 special is restricted.

Hence why both .380ACP and .38 Super are a lot more common elsewhere. This new .30SC might just be the ticket for all those people looking to pack the biggest defensive caliber possible while still staying within their country's gun laws.

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MosinRuger

· #15 · Jan 8, 2022

TACAV said:
I forgot to mention in my last post that while this caliber might not end up being very popular here in the US, it may see a lot more sucess elsewhere in the world. While the United State's might have the most open gun laws, we are by far not the only country in the world where citizens can own and carry firearms for self protection... even if it is a lot more restrictive.

In many of those countries (especially some in South/Central America and Europe) they limit the caliber size of what the average (non military/police) citizen can privately own.

In many countries "military calibers" are banned from private use/possession. In some countries that's 9mm luger that is banned or like in Mexico anything above a case diameter of .38 special is restricted.

Hence why both .380ACP and .38 Super are a lot more common elsewhere. This new .30SC might just be the ticket for all those people looking to pack the biggest defensive caliber possible while still staying within their countries gun laws.

good point about military cartridges not being allowed in many other countries.

I would definitely choose the .30 super carry over a .380acp if presented with those options.

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BarryHalls

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 8, 2022

MosinRuger said:
yeah idk, 9mm is pretty much the sweet spot. i mean, sure + 2 rounds would be nice, but i dont think this will really catch on.

its very similar to what federal did with the .327 fed mag. its like a .357 but alittle smaller diameter, supposedly allows a small revolver or more capacity, and also less recoil than .357.

but.. i dont think that its better enough to overcome the market density of the common calibers out there.

This has been my thoughts exactly. The 30/32s have enjoyed an almost cult following for over a century. There will always be the 357/38/9mm at the same weight, greater velocity, but lower capacity or larger frame size. I'll fall back on sectional density. Obviously if weight and velocity are similar, the one with the WIDER projectile leaves a wider hole and the one with the NARROWER projectile offers more penetration.

So it comes down to what your target is and how far it is. I think it's going to be a hit with 32acp and 327federal fans, and might make a splash with anyone who had resigned themselves to the SW EZ and similar sized 380s.

It's definitely going to be a niche caliber, but I could see it eeking out a place in the market for lower recoil shooters.

It could be a lot of fun in larger guns. Steel frame 9mms already enjoy a firm hold on pistol competitions because of their capacity/low recoil. Can you imagine a CZ Shadow II with some 23+ capacity in 30 caliber? We'll have to see how well it does but I think it won't be long before someone is trying it out.

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Jim Rau

· #17 · Jan 8, 2022

DWFan said:
No offense but I hope someone produces .30SC barrels for a 1911 because, if they do, I'll grab one and rechamber it to 7.62x25.

Just how will you get the 'physics' right to be reliable with that caliber on 1911 platform??? Recoil impulse of a 7.62x25 is totally different than a 45 acp in both amount and time.

PaleHawkDown

· #18 · Jan 8, 2022

It looks like 32-20 on paper, just with less penetration, and sized to a smaller envelope.

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PaleHawkDown

· #19 · Jan 8, 2022

Jim Rau said:
Just how will you get the 'physics' right to be reliable with that caliber on 1911 platform??? Recoil impulse of a 7.62x25 is totally different than a 45 acp in both amount and time.

The same way China, Vietnam, several countries in Eastern Europe, and several small Pacific Islands did. Also the way that people in Latin America did when converting to 9 Largo. And the way some Northern European countries did with 9x21, and 9x23. Also the way competition shooters do with the 38 Super.

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BigEd63

· #20 · Jan 8, 2022

I'm not sure if it's still imported there.
But it in Canada and of course it's source of production Red China. There's been a .30'Tokarev pistol sold that's a copy of the SIG 226.
Seems like it would not be that much of an issue.

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