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"Once upon a time I was a young investigator and our duty gun was the SW model 36, a 5 shot 38. We carried 2 speed loaders for a toral of 15 rounds. Sometimes I would carry a few extra loose rounds in the pocket, but I always felt well armed. I could hit a gallon jug at 100 yards with that gun att least 60% of the time. You get good with what you have. Head shots at 50 yards were no big deal. The entire New York Police department carried 5 and 6 shot 38s until 1994. I rode with DC officers in the 70s who carried the SW model 10 with ball ammo. No shotgun or long gun in the car whatsoever back then."

"Point being, people do not learn to shoot and they have so much fear they often carry 30-40rounds on their person for self defense. An officer in a high crime area, sure carry a couple spare mags, or if you live in Chicago, carry a spare mag. But people who live in normal area and carry 40 rounds to go t the grocery store, that is just too much fear and not enough confidence in their ability. Has anybody on hear ever heard of a self defense shooting where the good guy fired more than 6 rounds?"

I understand completely. I used to carry a 6" barreled Colt in .357 Magnum with a total of 18 rounds (six in the cylinder and two speedloaders full of 125-grain SJHP ammunition. It was heavy, but it worked.

Later, I carried a Glock 20 with two extra magazines. I could outshoot the kids with their 9mm pistols and still carry the big gun all day without discomfort.

I usually spoke kindly with people and managed to disuade unlawful behavior, (even in the rough sections of my patrol). There were times that teenagers caught the brunt of my august dipleasure when they pulled stunts that endangered themselves and the public.

When I carried in private, I didn't feel the need to carry a boatload of ammunition. The baleful glare of an armed man with a loaded revolver or pistol pointed at them would generally convince then to calm down and comply.
 

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Bullet diameter of the .30C is .312"; same as the 327 Federal. Bullets for the .327 can be used to create a 1.25" 7.62x25mm to work in a 1911 format.
"Charlie" tried that and it worked... most of the time. The VC and NVA didn't have a lot of faith in the converted 1911 pistols. (The 7.62x25 is a hot little number, and unless it is properly set up the piece will quickly beat itself to pieces).

If one builds a 1911 pistol expressly for the 7.62x25 cartridge (think 9x23 Winchester) it works quite well. It is, however, a "custom" build unto itself.
 

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I have a .30 Tokarev (Yugo M57) and it works well. Upon close inspection, the .30 Super Carry will be another "flavor of the month" caliber/load. They are "reinventing the wheel" in order to split the difference (fill the gap) between the .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum (9x19) cartridges.
 

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DC metro did carry 38s with 158 gr match ball ammo. We were not allowed to have anything else even in off duty weapons. supervisors and Robbery squad detectives were the only ones allowed to carry a shotgun. Nobody that I know of in that dept when I worked there even considered carrying a rifle. DC Metro 70-73 3rd District 14th and U nw area for me.
That sounds kind of f***ed up, but Department Regs being what they are tend to limit you. (Ball ammo forces "double taps" to anchor a violent perp).

Not only did "practice make perfect" but it also allowed you to survive.
 

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yeah idk, 9mm is pretty much the sweet spot. i mean, sure + 2 rounds would be nice, but i dont think this will really catch on.

its very similar to what federal did with the .327 fed mag. its like a .357 but alittle smaller diameter, supposedly allows a small revolver or more capacity, and also less recoil than .357.

but.. i dont think that its better enough to overcome the market density of the common calibers out there.
I think the 7.62x25 Tokarev is better than that. If you're going to run a hot 30 caliber, it might as well be really hot!
 

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If you place that 200 ft-lbs on the dog's skull, the attack will likely end. If you shoot it only once, you're a braver man than I am, Gunga Din! I usually am carrying either a 9mm Kel-Tec P11, a Glock 20, or a Ruger GP100 (in .357 Magnum).

The attack will stop when they're dead. I have no compunction or regret shooting a loose and vicious dog. If they aren't on a leash and are getting aggressive, their owner/handler isn't acting responsibly. He/she can either bury the dog(s) or pay my hospital bills and shell out millions in damages.

It is entirely up to him/her.
 

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Would I be that lucky again, probably not, few cops would take the risk that I did, but I do not shoot dogs, real men do not need to.
Really? Are marauding dogs near and dear to your heart? Since when are dogs more important than humans? My "soft heart" ends when my body and health are in jeopardy. Real men? Please.

They are animals, not humans. I wouldn't hesitate to kill one to stop a perceived attack any less than I would kill any other attacking animal. I don't heal anywhere as fast as I used to. The animal will not have the opportunity to tear a chunk of flesh from my body, at any time.

No pet/animal is worth it. (Hint: They can be replaced).
 

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When I was a young man at the tender age of 11, (1966) We knew a family that lived in the country. There were chickens on their acreage. The family had a dog named Bandit. One day, the dog lived up to its name and was caught killing chickens. Needless to say, Bandit suddenly had a quick meeting with the Father and his .30-30. Bandit finally stopped killing chickens.

Was this a bad decision? I think not. Bandit would never have stopped killing chickens on his own. There's a time and a place for everything, including killing malevolent canines.
 

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You obviously did what was required to handle the problem. All the dogs had to be destroyed to collect the appropriate biological samples. I am glad that they were no longer a threat to the public.

I'm not a "dog hater" but I know that the pack mentality of a bunch of running dogs is dangerous. IMHO, the loose and aggressive dog is an immediate threat to the community at large. This is the reason I have little sympathy for any canine aggression.

They are inherently dangerous and I have no pity or compassion.

Case closed.
 

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No in that case the dogs were quarantined and none was rabid. I do not remember the outcome but I am sure she got some hefty fines. I do not remember if they put the biter down or not. But he was definetely aggressive. I remember discussing it with the DA and him making his little joke. Turns out the woman was going thru a divorce and that RV was their hone, so when the park employee went to the door, they were just protecting their turf. Her crime was not securing them. It was long ago and just a funny memory. Good night.

By the way.my backup gun back then was a Walther PPKs 380 or a J frame SW 38.
When it comes to anyone, especially an LEO being attacked by a vicious dog, it should be "game over" for the cur,
 

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After the initial excitement over the .30 Super Carry died down I began seeing it as a "bridging" cartridge between the .380 and the 9mm Luger. As a straight-walled chambering, I saw it as "different".

I'm not certain that it has more to offer than the 9mm Luger cartridge.
 
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