New Caliber, Federal 30 Super Carry

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BarryHalls

Discussion Starter · Jan 6, 2022

It's a 32 with the length and energies of 9mm for a +2 capacity over 9mm in micro compact pistols. Capacity and energy favor the new 30 Super over the .380 for guns like the SW EZ and Ruger LC that come in 9 or 380. Could be interesting. I'll eagerly await decent ballistic testing comparison to the 380. A .40 converted down to .30 would make a very fun target pistol. I'd love to see the new .30 in a sub gun/AR/PCC.

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NEW 30 Super Carry Handgun Caliber ⋆ Primer Peak

Today we learned of a new, unannounced, handgun caliber, the 30 Super Carry. Check out the details in our preview!

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Kellen

· #21 · Jan 8, 2022

Does it make me a Luddite for deciding to ignore any new cartridge from here on out?
Am I alone in that?

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PaleHawkDown

· #22 · Jan 8, 2022

I got to examine a Colt-arev a few years ago, brought back from Vietnam (one of 4 Colt-"inspired" guns this guy had on display at the gun show). Mechanically it looked like they did not do much. It had a homemade spring, a barrel cut down from who-knows-what of similar outside diameter to the original 1911 barrel, and a modified barrel linkage. The mag was homemade, and had a Tokarev spring and follower, and seemed to have been made from some sort of ration can.

The other 3 he had were;
a cast iron, two-piece, single shot that seem to have been made from a mold of a 1911,
A 1911 frame and slide that had been gutted, and turned into a blow-back with a fixed barrel, but the mag was missing,
A gun built from the ground up as a passable, but crude 1911, that with the exception of the slide and frame contained all Tokarev parts,
they were all in 7.62x25

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PaleHawkDown

· #23 · Jan 8, 2022

Kellen said:
Does it make me a Luddite for deciding to ignore any new cartridge from here on out?
Am I alone in that?

Nah. If you're older than 40 you've already outlived 143 (at last count) "wonder cartridges", and you can probably add another 20 for every decade beyond that. Heck, if someone is as old as Biden you can probably add a couple of zeroes to that, because WWII was a mass extinction event for literally thousands of calibers.

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Palladin8

· #24 · Jan 8, 2022

For me personally I see no use for such a cartridge. Now on the other hand I have been looking for a cartridge for my wife to comfortably shoot and carry. She is a petite statured woman and weighs all of a 100lbs. I have bought her several different guns over the years and yet she hasn't really liked any of them. The recoil on the few 380's she has shot wasn't exactly overwhelming but yet it was enough that she didn't care for it. The LCP she had was the first gen and she hated the double action trigger and the recoil was a bit much. She hasn't shot the newer one since we've been very busy these past few months. The ones she likes to shoot are way to large and not practical for carry in any way for her other than in her purse.
Maybe this cartridge will be a good fit for her? I of course will not buy one until I can find a place that has one for their indoor range gun that we can rent. I've bought enough guns for her that she doesn't want to shoot.

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Jim Rau

· #25 · Jan 8, 2022

And that 'way' is?????

I had a Commander in 38 Super MANY years ago made by Colt. I had no problems with it. BUT it is my understanding that using the 1911 for other than the intended use REQUIRES A LOT OF R&D. Am I wrong???

Jim Rau

· #26 · Jan 8, 2022

Kellen said:
Does it make me a Luddite for deciding to ignore any new cartridge from here on out?
Am I alone in that?

No, if it's not broke don't fix it. I HATE change just for the sake of change!!!

Silver Bullet

· #27 · Jan 8, 2022

Almost a quarter of a century ago, now, I needed a handgun in order to protect the lives of both my wife and myself. Fortunately I had a gun, a small 380 Auto. We were lucky and, somehow, managed to survive that night.

Until very recently (like this past month when circumstances forced me to choose between no gun, and a deeply concealed one) that is also the last time I ever carried a small 'pocket pistol' as a primary.

Since that night my usual EDC has been a large—and truly comforting—45 ACP pistol. In fact I carry it so often, and for so long everyday that I actually feel naked without its considerable weight hanging on my belt.

New, small, and 'whiz bang' mean absolutely nothing to me!

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runfiverun

· #28 · Jan 9, 2022

Kellen said:
Does it make me a Luddite for deciding to ignore any new cartridge from here on out?
Am I alone in that?

if it makes you feel any better.
how's about just jacking the pressure up on something old?

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7.65×20mm Longue - Wikipedia

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DWFan

· #29 · Jan 9, 2022

Jim Rau said:
And that 'way' is????? I had a Commander in 38 Super MANY years ago made by Colt. I had no problems with it. BUT it is my understanding that using the 1911 for other than the intended use REQUIRES A LOT OF R&D. Am I wrong???

J&G sold 7.62x25 barrels for the 1911 years ago. The real issue was the magazine with the longer round.

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PaleHawkDown

· #30 · Jan 10, 2022

runfiverun said:
if it makes you feel any better.
how's about just jacking the pressure up on something old?

7.65×20mm Longue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The 1935s; A proto-SIG in a more fun caliber. Everytime I get one at the shop I have to talk myself out of it, and it gets harder to do so each time.

MosinRuger

· #31 · Jan 10, 2022

Palladin8 said:
For me personally I see no use for such a cartridge. Now on the other hand I have been looking for a cartridge for my wife to comfortably shoot and carry. She is a petite statured woman and weighs all of a 100lbs. I have bought her several different guns over the years and yet she hasn't really liked any of them. The recoil on the few 380's she has shot wasn't exactly overwhelming but yet it was enough that she didn't care for it. The LCP she had was the first gen and she hated the double action trigger and the recoil was a bit much. She hasn't shot the newer one since we've been very busy these past few months. The ones she likes to shoot are way to large and not practical for carry in any way for her other than in her purse.
Maybe this cartridge will be a good fit for her? I of course will not buy one until I can find a place that has one for their indoor range gun that we can rent. I've bought enough guns for her that she doesn't want to shoot.

I'd bet the recoil on this will be between the 380 and 9mm, so not likely any better than the 380.

sounds like she might be a good candidate for a .22 carry gun. perhaps a .22mag revolver?

i wish the industry would come out with a few more options in sub compact .22lr semi auto pistols.

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Palladin8

· #32 · Jan 10, 2022

MosinRuger said:
I'd bet the recoil on this will be between the 380 and 9mm, so not likely any better than the 380.

sounds like she might be a good candidate for a .22 carry gun. perhaps a .22mag revolver?

i wish the industry would come out with a few more options in sub compact .22lr semi auto pistols.

The recoil of the 380 LCP wasn't so bad for her. What she didn't like was the long double action trigger on the LCP. I have that solved with the double stack LCP.

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reverendg

· #33 · Jan 11, 2022 (Edited)

MosinRuger said:
I'd bet the recoil on this will be between the 380 and 9mm, so not likely any better than the 380.

sounds like she might be a good candidate for a .22 carry gun. perhaps a .22mag revolver?

i wish the industry would come out with a few more options in sub compact .22lr semi auto pistols.

What about the 5.7? Doesn't someone make a 22 mag pistol with a 33 round magazine
What happened to the TCM 22...other than ammo availability

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reverendg

· #34 · Jan 11, 2022

Keltec pmr 30?

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MosinRuger

· #35 · Jan 11, 2022

reverendg said:
What about the 5.7? Doesn't someone make a 22 mag pistol with a 33 round magazine
What happened to the TCM 22...other than ammo availability

i suppose 5.7 would be an option, but i've never thought 5.7 was a very practical round for a civilian. too expensive, and it was designed to penetrate armor, which civvies dont really need.

tcm .22 was a neat idea, but not much more than that IMO, it wasnt adopted in large enough numbers to become commonly available.

keltec makes the 33 round .22 mag pistol, problem is its a keltec( yes i know some people wont like that but i dont care). its also huge and no where close to carry gun size.

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MosinRuger

· #36 · Jan 12, 2022 (Edited)

this is a pretty informative video.

Honestly i like the sound of this new round, it makes sense. more capacity and very close performance to .9mm. If only the ammo would become affordable.

Jim Rau

· #37 · Jan 14, 2022

I guess the real question is, 'does this new caliber do anything new or is it just change for the sake of change, aka just for $$$$' ???? If it's not broke don't fix it!!!

MosinRuger

· #38 · Jan 14, 2022

Jim Rau said:
I guess the real question is, 'does this new caliber do anything new or is it just change for the sake of change, aka just for $$$$' ???? If it's not broke don't fix it!!!

the answer is yes, it does do something new. it gives you essentially 9mm performance with more capacity.
now my question is, is it new/ different enough to make a difference? likely not.

mouser868

· #39 · Jan 14, 2022

Can someone please explain to me why more rounds is better? When I started shooting and hunting I was given a limited amount of ammo and was told not to waste it

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reverendg

· #40 · Jan 15, 2022

mouser868 said:
Can someone please explain to me why more rounds is better? When I started shooting and hunting I was given a limited amount of ammo and was told not to waste it

And that’s good. Militaries once only had single shot guns, but when repeating arms became available, it only made sense for those in mortal combat to want that capability. When facing off against multiple offenders, do you want a single shot weapon?

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