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Captain O said:

If you place that 200 ft-lbs on the dog's skull, the attack will likely end. If you shoot it only once, you're a braver man than I am, Gunga Din! I usually am carrying either a 9mm Kel-Tec P11, a Glock 20, or a Ruger GP100 (in .357 Magnum).

The attack will stop when they're dead. I have no compunction or regret shooting a loose and vicious dog. If they aren't on a leash and are getting aggressive, their owner/handler isn't acting responsibly. He/she can either bury the dog(s) or pay my hospital bills and shell out millions in damages.

It is entirely up to him/her.

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OK two responses. First, the dog problem. It is bigger than most folks think. Then I will reply to the 5 dig attack story, might give you a chuckle.

Here in Oklahoma you can forget about suing anybody and getting money. None of the people who have bad dogs that get loose have any money, some examples are below. And even if they owned their homes and had insurance, it is not going to pay for some dog attack if they intentionally keep a bad dog. Insurance policies have fine print that say they do not pay if your alligator bites someone, unless you pay extra fir a specific rider, so forget about the big bucks lawsuits, here...lol

Here in Oklahoma the last few years we have had an absolutely insane amount of people killed or chewed up pretty bad by dogs. One older lady went to walk her dogs and 2 pits got out down the road and killed her and her dog. My daughter lived near her. People do not realize the danger, most people are ignorant of risk. Let me post a few.

The jerk is walking free today. The DA, by the way was a cop before he became an attorney. Then there us this one in 2017.
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Owner Pleads Guilty
UPDATE 11/04/17: The Oklahoma City owner of five pit bulls pleaded guilty Friday to second-degree manslaughter after his dogs killed a man in 2015. Juan Marcos Diaz, 46, was sentenced to one year in prison and three years probation. He received credit for nine months already served. Charges were filed against Diaz in August 2016, nine months after his dogs brutally attacked Edgar Brown, 60, who suffered multiple complications, amputations and eventually death.

"I caused the death of Edgar Brown in a negligent manner by owning a mischievous animal, a dog, who attacked and killed the victim," - Juan Diaz

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On October 6, 2015 Brown stopped by a rental home on SW 38 Street to take out the trash. On Diaz's property, directly north, five pit bulls jumped a chain-link fence that separated the two properties. The dogs were only able to reach Brown by breaching another fence through a hole. "Flesh was hanging off his arms. It was the most awful mess I’ve ever seen," his brother Dexter Brown said. He died of his injuries on October 18, less than 2 weeks after the vicious attack.
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Or how about this one. June 23, 2021.

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This one was pretty brutal.

OKLAHOMA CITY – A frantic 911 call came in around 9:30 Saturday night from the 700 block of N.E. 29th Street. 2018

“Ma’am, we need police over here. What’s the address? Quickly!” the calling party told dispatch. “There’s four big *** pit bulls killing this girl. They’re killing this woman, and we’re trying to get them off her.”

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Police finally arrived and shot and killed two of the animals. They shot and wounded a third and took a fourth into custody after it ran back into its house.

“All I saw was just pow pow pow pow pow pow pow pow. It was like Vietnam,” Willis said. “Even they shot them, they still was trying to kill them. They were just enraged.”

WATCH: GRAPHIC - OCPD Releases Body Cam Footage Of Dog Mauling


Cosby has lost an arm and doctors may have to amputate her leg. Her family has set up a GoFundMe page to help with her medical bills
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The video above shows the body cam of a police officer shooting one of the pits, it starts about 56 seconds on the video, I believe he was shooting with a 40. Once again, a reason many people put lazers on their Guns for night duty.


No place is safe from muggers, car jackers, and dog packs. The dog aattacks lways happen in places where no one expected it. When I hear people say they are just going for a walk or jog and would never think of taking a gun, I just think they are beyond ignorant. I have never heard if an armed person being killed by dogs. I spent too many years in law enforcement, I well know there is a bad guy in about every 4th car that drives by.

FWIW

Captain O said:

When I was a young man at the tender age of 11, (1966) We knew a family that lived in the country. There were chickens on their acreage. The family had a dog named Bandit. One day, the dog lived up to its name and was caught killing chickens. Needless to say, Bandit suddenly had a quick meeting with the Father and his .30-30. Bandit finally stopped killing chickens.

Was this a bad decision? I think not. Bandit would never have stopped killing chickens on his own. There's a time and a place for everything, including killing malevolent canines.

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Captain O said:

There you have it. Dog attacks, dead dog.

Problem solved.

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OK. First thought, a LEO responding to a dog bite call has certain things to do. First, make the place safe.

Second, in that call a park employee had already been bitten. Due to rabies, every police officer in every state is required to capture the dog if possible, so that the dog can be quarantined for ten days, otherwise the poor guy has to take the rabies shots, they were painful back then. So, my second job was to capture 5 dogs, I do not think he knew which ones bit him.

Third, the officer is supposed to collect evidence of any crime. So the call I got was a pack of 5 pit bulls was running loose in a state park and had bitten one person That was a red light call for me because there could be hundreds of campers in that area, I was about 15 miles away. That call would have been a 100 mph call for me on the highway portion.

It is really a dumb story but I will share. We pulled into the state park RV campground where the park employee had been attacked. With me was a retired LAPD officer, armed with a Berretta. He was also a state employee, a camp host. We did not know if anyone was in the RV and did not want to shoot that direction. I led so all five dogs ran at me led by a cranky old pit. I had my Glock 19 out but the shot would have been at the RV door, which I expected to open at any time. As the pit jumped at me, I rammed my Glock 19 into his mouth and at he same time grabbed him by the collar with my left hand and snatched him off of the ground., Glock stuck in his mouth. Gosh I wish we had body cams, this one would be cool. Anyway, my unit was only a few feet away with the door open, so I just threw him in there and slammed the door. A dog with a gun shoved in his mouth and his feet off the ground cannot do anything but squirm. At that point that one was no risk to me, but there were 4 more.

The other 4 dogs were pretty much in shock. As was the other officer, who was also laughing his head off. as he drew a bead on them The other dogs backed off and finally we were able to corral them without further incident. I think they were afraid I would snatch them up also.

Since there had been an attack these dogs had to be quarantined for fear of rabies. If there is a fear of rabies, they take brain samples so officers know to never head shoot a dog that has already bitten someone. So goofy as it may sound, that was the deal.



Anyway, I had several dog incidence but only one that was significant. And yes, I got a reputation in law enforcement circles as the guy who shoved his Glock down the throat of a pit. I remember meeting people and have them say, oh your that guy that stuck his gun down the dogs throat. Yea that was me. I even remember a DA making a joke about it, something like this, ' do you know what you are supposed to see when a dogs bites a police officers gun barrel? Brains'

Anyway, bizzare deal, it happened quick. On three occasions since then, not related to law enforcement, I have had stray dogs run at me, all three times I put one bullet in the ground in front of them, they all left. Would it work on a pack if pits.? Probably not. I have killed two dogs before that were coming for me. I shot both at 15-20 feet away because I was young and afraid of them. Today, I just stand my ground and if they are very big will take appropriate action. Actually, I have used pepper spray a couple of times on dogs that thought they were bad. I kind of enjoyed the effect it had on them, it is good stuff for dogs. The topic is 32 or 380 for dogs or other defense, For me, I want bigger.


Pretty dumb move I suppose but those things happen fast. and that is how it happened. That was over two decades ago, BTW.........

When I was living in New Hampshire 40 years back, there was a pack of "house pets" that went after sheep on a farm on the far side of town and killed a couple or three. The sheep farmer and his wife were a couple of ex-hippies who had made their pile and then pursued their dream of a sheep farm where they could raise sheep, harvest the fleece, spin it into yarn or thread, and then weave it into cloth. He talked to the local sheriff, who said he couldn't do anything unless the dogs were caught in the act.

So he talked to some friends and borrowed a rifle and an elevated blind, and took to sitting up over the herd. A few nights later, the dog pack showed up and went after the sheep. He got one of the dogs that took down a sheep, and called the sheriff. He came out and collected the dead dog. It had a collar and tags. He took the dog to the local vet, who performed a necropsy that recovered sheep flesh and wool from the dog's stomach and jaws. After getting the vet's report, the sheriff took the dead dog to its owners.

These two were a couple of yuppie Ken and Karen types. They went nuts at the sight of their dead German Shepherd and demanded to know who had done it. The Sheriff told them. They sued the two ex-hippies.

When the case came to trial, the judge asked the farmers for their story. Then he asked the yuppies for their version. Then he asked the sheriff what he had learned. The sheriff told about being contacted concerning the attacks on the flock before the dog was shot, and introduced the necropsy report into evidence. The judge read the summary of the report, and right then found for the sheep farmers. The yuppies had to pay court courts and all legal costs, and received a blistering lecture on keeping dogs secured or in the house at night. The results of the court case got around, and before long there wasn't a dog pack of house pets running loose any more.

If pet owners let their dogs run loose, and the dogs attack people or animals, the mutts deserve whatever they get, including being shot dead.

I know that back in the 80's when I was living in Rural Indiana we had dog problems. People would dump their unwanted dogs out in the country and our farm seemed to be a good dumping ground for some reason. At first my father tried to feed them because he's a dog lover but I do remember there were a few aggressive ones. Like most other Canines these dogs became a pack and started causing trouble. It came to a head when they pulled a child off of his bike and killed him. After that no dog was safe and was shot on sight for quite some time.

I've shot more than my fair share of stray cats and dogs when I was living out in the country. Once I saw the dog running around chasing livestock or other animals their days were numbered. Cats were a shoot on sight as well because they've decimated the upland game bird population. Ground nesting birds are no match for them and when feral, Cats are deadly. Since living where I do now we have had a few Cats wondering around. My Malinois has killed two of them because he found them in his food bin in our garage. One of them scratched him pretty good but that only made him madder and it was harder than heck to get him to release that thing. He was all kinds of pissed off. The other one must of been young and inexperienced cause Blue didn't give him a chance to fight.