New toy!

Discussion in 'Muzzle Loading' started by Joshua M. Smith, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith G&G Enthusiast

    Hello,

    I was out looking to do some trading today.

    I had in mind a .410 double shotty, but anything that caught my eye would work.

    Wound up with this:

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    I've never owned a muzzleloader before. This one was used, but aside from a bit of rust, looked good.

    I would have liked to have had a wooden stock and a lefty action, but for the deal I couldn't pass it up. Besides the rifle, I got 200 percussion caps, an unopened container of Shockey's Gold Sticks (the man said they wouldn't work in a sidelock, but they seem to function just fine), and 60 saboted 99% pure lead bullets.

    I took it out and shoved one of the powder sticks down the tube after verifying there wasn't a charge in it already. Then I put a wad in it.

    Checking for function before live ammo is used is a priority for me.

    The cap went "pop" and the main charge didn't light. At this point I was thinking "crap, the guy was right." I tried a few more primers to to avail.

    Decided to take a pick to the nipple again, and I paid closer attention. It didn't seem to go all the way through. Hmmm...

    So the nipple came off. It was clogged with rust. I mean, it looked like somebody had poured iodine in there.

    I had to use a drill and actual bit to get it out.

    So I went back out, put the nipple back on, primed it, and the charge went "POOF!"

    Awesomeness.

    So this time I tried an actual bullet.

    "BOOM!" Nice kick, about like a light 20 gauge, if that.

    It's a 1:48" twist, so I'll probably just end up making some cotton patches and using .452" bullets I cast for my 1911 in this thing. They should work just fine on deer if I go this season.

    I'd like to shoot balls, and though I know it won't be as accurate as a slower twist, I figure I'll experiment.

    Should be fun!

    Josh
     
  2. .22guy

    .22guy G&G Enthusiast

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    Muzzleloading is fun, I think you will enjoy it!
     

  3. waterdog

    waterdog G&G Enthusiast

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    Is that a CVA wolf? I've got one in .50 cal. and cast a target mini-ball and 60 grns of powder, just remember to clean it when your done(same day) . good luck with it and enjoy. ...................Waterdog.
     
  4. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith G&G Enthusiast

    Hello,

    It's a CVA Bobcat.

    I cleaned it with boiling water and a lanolin mixture I use on all my guns, but supposedly neither the caps nor the Shockey's are corrosive..?

    Took apart the entire action.

    That has got to be THE single easiest lock to work on ever! And I thought the 1911 was easy! :D

    The sear had been rubbing the inside plate, so I shimmed it just a wee bit. Worked beautifully.

    I'm well aware this is rifle was originally $60 at Walmart or something, but those silly Spanish did something right: It's at least as well made as my Savage Mk II .22LR. The internals are right up there.

    Thanks!

    Josh
     
  5. samuel

    samuel G&G Newbie

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    I think your .452 bullets would be small.Don't use a patch with a conical bullet.If you try conical they would have to be .500.A .015 lubricated patch and .490 round ball would work best.Again,don't use patch with conicals.They wrinkle up on the sides and can cause pressure problems and blow the gun up.
     
  6. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith G&G Enthusiast

    Hi Gents,

    I got some round balls today.

    Played around with my new balls, and found they like light to medium weight cotton T-shirt material with a bit of spit on the patches. Odd I guess, but it works.

    I found after five shots with a non-lubed patch, accuracy went to hell. If I spit on each patch, it stayed clean enough for 10 consecutive shots.

    Here is what I did:

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    Sitting, 50yds.

    I think this is good for a muzzleloader with open sights from a sitting position. I do not honestly know. Thoughts?

    What kind of speed do you suppose I'm producing with 50gns of Shockey Gold under a 177gn LRB? The Shockey's in stick form, but I crush it up a bit with the ramrod, so it has complete combustion.

    My final comment is that I'm just really glad this is performing with round balls. I tend to be a bit of a traditionalist (thus the sidelock, and only using the Shockey sticks because that's what was included; I will be switching to Pyrodex or 777 when they're gone - can't find real BP around here). I was hoping I could use these and not have to go to Minie Ball. This just seems, well, more fun. Also, a very kind gent is sending me a mold for this ball, so I'll not often be out of ammunition!

    Any thoughts or help?

    Thanks,

    Josh
     
  7. samuel

    samuel G&G Newbie

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    Did you know you can go blind if you play with your balls! Mooseman warned me about that! As I have said before on here,when storing ML,s take plugs and nipples out to let air circulate as much as possible.It really helps prevent rust.Also,try to dry in open air or over register.(hair dryer?) I put plugs/nipples in sandwich bag and tape to gun to be able to find when I want them.
     
  8. waterdog

    waterdog G&G Enthusiast

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    The bobcat is an accurate rifel as you already found out ,my wolf shoots round balls well also, I spit lube my patches too.
     
  9. For use on the range, spit patches are fine. For hunting, you will want something that won't effect the powder. T/C makes a non-petroleum grease that is specifically designed for use in contact with the powder. Right now, I can't recall the name.
     
  10. samuel

    samuel G&G Newbie

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    For you young'uns that want to use spit patches,t-shirts are cotton and burn the center out.(and catch dead grass on fire) You lose accuracy.If your wife won't let you cut a chunk out of the table cloth go to WalMarts and buy a yard of linen.That should be enough for a day or maybe two.Carry a sharp knife and stick the linen in your mouth and moisten a little of it and put it over the muzzle and place the ball on it and just barely start the ball and then take the knife and cut the cloth above the muzzle.(And of course finish seating the ball.)
     
  11. I've always used Criso for patches when shooting round balls in the muzzleloaders. Seems to work well enough.
     
  12. samuel

    samuel G&G Newbie

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    Crisco is great.I've used buckets (cans?) of it virtually the same as bore butter without the mint.When they turn rancid they smell identical.
     
  13. Dumb question Sam but have you tried different types of cooking grease on the patches and get different results?? I have used off brand stuff and it didn't seem to work as well as Crisco. Not sure what the difference was, but accuracy was affected.
     
  14. samuel

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    I never tried any other intentionally.The reason I use Crisco is I had some Borebutter at $6.+ a can and a can of crisco at $.69 a can get rancid at the same time.They smelled the same.Stunk.I had noticed that Crisco did the same as borebutter.One thing with either is don't over apply them.I use crisco to seal chambers on revolvers which means I use lots of it and burnt gun powder sure makes a mess with it.A rifle barrel will get what I call "lumpy" (bullet hard to seat) fast with too much of either one.
     
  15. SwedeSteve

    SwedeSteve Freedom Zealot Forum Contributor

    ^ Great point !! I only have pistols, but can see this being a problem !!
     
  16. Kodiak32

    Kodiak32 G&G Regular

    Congrats, they are fun.
     
  17. Had a CVA Bobcat at one point in time in 54 Cal. Killed a deer with it at 109 paces using patched round balls. Was a decent shooting rifle. Had a lot of fun with it using light loads to kill groundhogs too.
     
  18. I've got one of those. Bought it at Walmart for $50. Very good shooting rifle.