hay we don't have a forum for these yet but I just tried out my new savage 17 cal rim fire. shot a 3/8" group at 100yrds and a 3/4" at 200yrds. just got back in from the field and got 4 woodchucks one at 158yrds I couldn't belive that that little 17 cal necked down 22mag. would drop a chuck at over a hundred yrds. I just had to tell someone who would see the light in this. the wife just don't seem to get it.