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When it comes to curtailing the free-speech rights of Americans who do not happen to be radical liberals, nothing outperforms the college campus. Now UNH adds another one to the list. A professor`s refusal to let a student wear a small symbol of political protest in class.

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Go figure... the sociology professor was the one to deny his right to free speech. One more for social engineering ! What a communist.

I am trying to figure out why the student even "asked" permission to wear an empty holster. I would have just done it, there is no law against it and he is protected constitutionaly. He should have gone for the surprise IMO. Not to mention that he PAYS tuition which in turn helps to pay that profs salary, that gives him the right to all kinds of "free speech" !
 

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this slime ball would be the first to whine if some one tried to shut him up
The he's a she (Priscilla) mym1a, . lol But you're right, either way they'd be the first to cry foul...
 

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Go figure... the sociology professor was the one to deny his right to free speech. One more for social engineering ! What a communist.

I am trying to figure out why the student even "asked" permission to wear an empty holster. I would have just done it, there is no law against it and he is protected constitutionaly. He should have gone for the surprise IMO. Not to mention that he PAYS tuition which in turn helps to pay that profs salary, that gives him the right to all kinds of "free speech" !
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Typical elitist wacko---you have freedom of speech

as long as you agree with me.

All pigs were created equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.......
 

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Go figure... the sociology professor was the one to deny his right to free speech. One more for social engineering ! What a communist.

I think you mean Fascist.

Either way, an empty holster is not illegal is it? Is there any sort of dress code they could be violating? Do colleges even have a dress code other than just wear clothes?

This is ridiculous hands down.
 

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You know, it's really funny how the ivory tower college professors will be out in the streets with their students waving signs and chanting when it's a First Amendment issue at stake. But let it be a Second Amendment issue, and they want their students to be good little boys and girls and sit down and shut up. The thought occurs to me college professors need to take Pastor Niemoller's famous quote to heart.
 

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Oink Oink Seems as an awful lot of these Socialist, Communist, Fascist people end up in the teaching field as college professors.
 

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Oink Oink Seems as an awful lot of these Socialist, Communist, Fascist people end up in the teaching field as college professors.

I would just like to point out that both the words socialist and communist are misused here. I hate the stigma that the right has put on such governments. Fascism is a ruling of absolutes by a dictator and you get no say. Socialism and Communist nations actually can have capitalism and federalism involved in them. It depends on how the government is set up, and in theory it could be a lot like our own government with a more social or federal aspect. Unfortunately, there have been some governments that have taken advantage of their citizens in such situations which gives it just a bad reputation.

Sweden has practically no gun laws what so ever and you can carry a gun where ever you want and everyone shoots, and yet they are a socialist nation. Socialism has nothing to do with gun control.
 

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True

Liberals are no different than any other extremist in that it has to be their way or no way.

Liberals are not friends of personal freedom.
 

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Oink Oink Seems as an awful lot of these Socialist, Communist, Fascist people end up in the teaching field as college professors.
This is true for some reason; I can't figure out why.

Maybe people get stuck in school (when they should get out into the "real world" for a couple of years) and their wacky ideas fester because they never have to meet the harsh reality of being practical and working.

I remember my senior year, part of our courses were when and how gov't should intervene given things like pollution, CFC's, etc. It was a good course, but we were young and stupid--we were keen to regulate without realizing the very real cost of this. It took working for a living before this sunk in.

Maybe that's the problem. Get the faculty out to make it on their own for a while.
 

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Liberals are not friends of personal freedom.
Neither, let it be noted, are far right conservatives. They also demand you believe as they do - or else.

This is particularly true of conservatives who are also religious fanatics. And I don't mean only Moslems by that, though right now they offer examples of that. Look at our own history. The Puritans made life hell for anyone who dared put a toe out of line. The Salem Witch Trials are a disgusting blot on our country's reputation for tolerance; and the memory of that witch hunt had more than a little to do with the First Amendment being phrased the way it was, to insure there would never be an official American Religion. Extremist true believers at either end of the spectrum delight in forcing their views and beliefs down your throat - for your own good, of course. Extremists as a class are enemies of personal freedom.
 

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Tlarkin, the words socialist, communist, and fascist were not used to describe governments but the teachings and actions of some college professors. I did not mention gun control or gun rights. The student asked to wear an empty holster, not carry a gun.
 

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Tlarkin, the words socialist, communist, and fascist were not used to describe governments but the teachings and actions of some college professors. I did not mention gun control or gun rights. The student asked to wear an empty holster, not carry a gun.

It just seems to me you were equating all of those on a parallel with Fascism, and also saying they all transcend into a lack of rights. I brought up sweden because they have a socialist government, free health care, free education, privacy rights, low poverty and crime rates, oh and everyone owns fully automatic weapons.

Which pretty much shatters a lot of what the people on this forum perceive things as socialism and communism, and while I do not totally agree or advocate either to any full extent, I can see where aspects of a government like that could be useful to even us here in the states.

I did not mean to single you out and accuse you of anything specifically. I just wanted to simply point out that you can be a liberal, socialist, communist and still believe in personal rights and the 2nd amendment. The problem is, most gun owners have been locked into unilateral dogmatic thinking that if you aren't a Republican you are anti-gun. While, some of that does in fact hold truth, I won't argue that, but in the end there are plenty of politicians on both sides that want to strip all our rights, including the right to bear arms. There are Republicans on the Brady Bill bandwagon.

Sometimes there are more pressing issues in our country than a restriction on firearms. Our economy ain't getting better any time soon, and I went grocery shopping tonight after work. Almost everything already went up in price. I ended up buying a few things I needed to make tacos and some laundry detergent and I ended up spending over $50 dollars!

However the right media machine has engraved it in your head that socialism and communism are bad things, and so is the word liberal. All because they know your weakness, your need and want to have guns. While I don't disagree one bit, I like my guns and I sure as hell ain't giving them up. If they do come to my door though and ask for them, I sure as hell won't die for them, that would just be a waste. If I were dead I couldn't make a difference any more.

So, even if you were talking about the professors beliefs, and I doubt you know him that well, that still does not apply. Being a socialist or a communist does not mean you are anti-personal rights at all. In fact, it is quite opposite, everyone is considered completely equal in both of those types of philosophies. Now the word fascist could very well apply to his beliefs, and he wants it his way or the highway no exceptions.

I think it was a violation of the student's fist amendment personally. He had the right to peacefully protest, and a gun holster is a peaceful way to accomplish that.

Actually, all those words can describe governments as well.
 

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The problems with Socialism and Communism is that, while they seem good in concept, they fall apart in practice. If everyone's altruistic and truly does give "according to his ability" and consumes "only to his needs" it could work. In practice, self interests (i.e. selfishness) overcome this. Markets work because in the majority of cases acting in one's self interests actually makes the market work well and efficiently (Adam Smith).

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Communism and Socialism have largely been scams perpetrated by evil individuals to gain power and exploit their "subjects," killing at will when the subjects complained (Stalin, MAO). The fomer Soviet Union came apart mostly because its Socialistic/Communistic economy was so inefficient it collapsed under its own weight as it faced an undiminishing and strong military threat (the United States). Time is what won the cold war--time to discover that Communism/Socialism wasn't a viable economic strategy and that U.S. deterrence wasn't going away. You can thank RR in part for the final nails in the coffin.

China has actually made a fairly successful transition to capitalism -- they're kicking ass. They just haven't learned the lessons of externalities and costs of pollution and value of human life that we have quite yet. This is a hangover from Communism and will eventually change.

Maybe that's it for some of these professors--they haven't yet learned that theories need be tested in practice to validate whether they work or not.
 

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That is because most communist countries only have one political party, and with one political party you get what you get regardless. Now, in some cases there are communist-like (and China actually is more federalist than anything, since they have elected officials and the province level) that transcend that of which you speak. Now, if we actually had communist countries with multiple political parties and elections of those parties then maybe you'd see a huge difference in how it worked. I agree with you that in theory it does work and in practice not really, but at the same time I don't think it was ever practiced right to begin with.

Socialism is similar but not the same. There are plenty of socialist countries that work out perfectly. They are a different society than us though, and I am not saying that they can or can't work for us, but what we currently have IMO, is not working at all. Obviously, I don't think a doctor and a janitor should be equal on the pay scale at all, but I do think we could very well have some social programs in our country and they could work out for everyone. In fact, most Tort laws stem from ancient socialist societies, I mean they did do some stuff right.

Like I said, look at countries that are not 100% socialist but have many social aspects and look how they thrive.

I just wanted to point out that the words are widely used wrong in describing certain people. The word fascist is the only one that applies to this professor.
 

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No worries....I think the difference between Communism and Socialism is just a matter of semantics and history IMHO.

Although the SAR regions (Hong Kong/Macau) of China are pretty democratic, and China has embraced capitalism from a market perspective, I would definitely NOT call it federalist or a republic from a mainland "who's got the hammer" perspective. The gov't is very much in control, and people are still jailed severely for opinions that dont agree with the regime.
 

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Ancient celtic societies had torts, where if you killed a man in a fair fight you were then responsible for his family. needless to say, that law actually stopped people from dueling, knowing that if they won it would kill them responsibility and financially.

China is not a pure communist country either, they have different rights in different provinces. Whatever it is, it is progressing right now. I am not sure what to label it. What I do know is that socially they are going from like 1920s to present by our standards, and are doing so in the course of 15 to 20 years. They are catching up a super fast rate.

They are also a very internal nation and do not fiddle much with foreign affairs nor do they give rats ass what other countries think of them. Interesting culture for sure.

My sifu was born and raised in Macau, and he would tell me how bad it was growing up there. He said he had to learn kung fu to protect himself. There weren't really any guns but there were plenty of knives. He definitely had to fight for his life a few times. Then he comes to America, and loves it by all means, but still hasn't adjusted fully to our life style. here in the USA you can insult someone and get no consequence for it. Where he is from that usually meant you settled it with fists or worse. He has been here for a long time too, and his son is my age and was born and raised in the USA. I had to explain to him once that hot heads in the USA are not worth it, when he got into some argument with someone who said some nasty things about him for no reason. Trust me too, he was no slouch. I have never had a small old chinese man toss me around like a small sack of potatoes before I trained with him.
 
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