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Norinco "Trench" shotgun

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by REM.303, Apr 8, 2003.

  1. REM.303

    REM.303 G&G Newbie

    I just saw a norinco copy of the "Trench Broom" of WWI, has anybody shot one yet? also which bayonet would fit? Any info would be appreicated.


     
  2. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    I have one and it is a great shooter
    The Bayonet it takes is the P17 enfield bayonet which is also being repoped
    I modified mine to take M1 Garand Bayonets

    Shooting skeet with Bayonet attached..........priceless
     
  3. AR-tim

    AR-tim G&G Newbie

    I have been thinking about one of these little toys..... I think those just look tough/intimidating. And they are A LOT cheaper than a real one....
     
  4. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    yep and they shoot good to.
    The steel that they are made from is superior to the softer stuff that was avalible in 1897
    They are just plain fun
    I shot mine today!
     
  5. AR-tim

    AR-tim G&G Newbie

    What is a good price for one. From what I have seen, they go for around $400, which is about half of what a real one costs (right?).. I am still not sure on what type of shotgun I want to buy. One of these trench guns, some sort of Remington/Mossberg tactical shotgun (a pump with all the bells and whistles; heat shield, folding stock, and so on...), or just a new hunting shotgun... Oh, the choices.. So tough.

    Oh yeah, I forgot to ask. With the hammer on there, is that double action so you can just pump and fire, or single action where you would have to work the hammer?
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2003
  6. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    Ok Here we go,
    The Winchester model 1897 (or norinco copy)
    have some advantages and dis advantages over some more modern designs
    Sometimes it is possible if you leave the slide/pump action halfway open for the action to jam and ya have to push the bolt forward with your finger while holding the forarm still
    It is really simple once you know whats going on
    and it doesnt happen during normal operation
    An advantage
    You can hold the trigger down and pump the action and when the forarm comes all the way into battery the gun will fire.
    So you can shoot it REAL FAST.
    Faster that Any modern shotgun.
    You can literally "sweep" an area faster that anyone could react.
    Most important is the cool factor
    Does this shotgun speak to ya?
    You obviously like it It is an exellent weapon
    The historical perspective is cool.
    There is an exellent article on the Norinco 97tw shotgun in the Shotgun news magazine this week.
    http://www.shotgunnews.com/
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2005
  7. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    Dang it I got fat fingers tonight
    Anyway, to continue
    The trigger is single action It is possible to load the chamber and lower the hammer to a half cock notch for carrying in the field
    Then just thumb the hammer back and fire.
    Price;
    $400 is a little high I have seen them going for around $360 around here so you arent that far of I guess.
    Personally I really like mine
    The quality or manufacture doesnt seem "Chinese" to me
    My theory is that some British type shotgun maker in Hongkong
    Is makeing these
    See, Norinco is the Only State owned firearms company allowed to manufacture and sell firearms in all of China.
    So Anything made in china will be a "Norinco"
    My 97 has a real hansom Walnut stock, the fit and finish is exellent.
    I cant say enough good things about it.
     
  8. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    I still Love My Norinco 97T
     
  9. gunssb

    gunssb G&G Newbie

    If you want a cheap shotgun also try the Norinco m37 clone - was on sale for $150 at big 5 here. For the price you get ghost ring sights, heat shield & swivels. I like the little bugger but some people don't - I think it's because they're snobbish. You can't slam fire this one though. I wish big 5 carried the m97 - I'd buy a couple :)
     
  10. dave375hh

    dave375hh G&G Newbie Forum Contributor

    The biggest difference between the old and the new is the old ones did not have a trigger disconecter and could be fired by holding back the trigger and pumping the action. A "shooter grade" original is not that much more money, I've seen them for $450-$475 with the works in good to very good condt. but the finish only 50-60%
     
  11. gunssb

    gunssb G&G Newbie

    hmm...most of the originals I've seen were pretty beat up. I don't know if I'd shoot an original if I get one - probably just collect it.
     
  12. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    original trench guns go for about 3000$ or so
    I saw an original 97 plain shotgun for 150 bucks this last weekend
    I am to much of a scardy cat to shoot one with modern loaded ammunition.
     
  13. TheJoker

    TheJoker G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    I have to thank you all on this forum. About 6 months ago I signed up for a tactical shotgun class. I was looking for a good shotgun, but I have this thing about being different(...example: I took a tactical handgun course last year using a nickle S&W 39-II circa 1976; everyone else shot some kind of 'combat tupperware'). I wanted to show up with something that would get "that look" from the instructor. I heard of the Norinco 97T and was checking it out on google. It was partly your good reviews that convinced me to start looking around for one of these. A buddy works in a gun shop and he was restocking from layaways when he found a brand new in the box Norinco 97T(...love the box "From the trenches of WWI"). Apparently, they weren't aware of how hard these are to find because I got 'em talked down to $349. I just brought it home and I can't wait to shoot it!!! The fit and finish is gorgeous!!! I'll let you know how it shoots!

    Thanks again!!!
     
  14. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    Good luck with your Norinco I love mine.
     
  15. TheJoker

    TheJoker G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Okay, I've found lots of Enfield Bayonets, but what is the proper sling? I've found Enfield 17 slings or repros. It would be logical that since it uses the Enfield bayonet, that maybe the Enfield sling was correct. Any ideas???
     
  16. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

    Well there was a plethora of slings used as I understand it
    I have on mine a original m1 carbine leather sling with the brass hooks...
    very original in appearance.
    the 1897 trench shotguns where used in WW I and WW II
    Korea, and Vietnam.
    I have heard of then being used in Gulf War I and there may be a few that came out of small town national guard armorys even today.
    It is probably just wishful thinking.
    but it would not suprise me
    the 1897 12 gage military shot gun is one of the greatest "close in" military weapons our country has ever produced.
    for norinco to Re pop them is a testament to this.
     
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