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"Not Tough Enough?"

Discussion in 'Political/Religious Topics' started by Ten Man, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Ten Man

    Ten Man G&G Evangelist

    If this doesn't get the libtards' panties in a twist, NOTHING will. LOL!!!

    Today, President Trump wondered out loud to reporters if his "fire and fury" threat to North Korea on Tuesday was "not tough enough."

    Meanwhile, back at the "ranch", the stock market went down 205 points, and gold is up to $1288 an oz. These are not large movements, but they are in a direction that indicates traders are getting nervous about the North Korea situation.

    Anyone up for old M.A.S.H. reruns?
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  2. Rambo

    Rambo Norse by birth Forum Contributor

    Then, without wasting any time, trump tweeted that he is ready to send our military to Venezuela as well. Tough talk indeed! Sadly, he nor any of his family will have to fight/die in these new wars.
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  3. richardw

    richardw G&G Enthusiast

    If any of them were required to serve T would be more careful about how and what he says. I really have a problem with armchair warrior and T is one.

    SKS NOOB G&G Evangelist

    Odds are, unless something happens, they are just sabre rattling. Of course, maybe Trump is just trying to egg Kim on and HOPING he would do something. Then MAYBE Korea could be one and then China can look at it as another failed expansion of communism.
  5. PAPA G

    PAPA G G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    How many sons of Elitist did you encounter? I do not recall any, state side or war zone!
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  6. Wicked109

    Wicked109 G&G Evangelist

    So was BO and Clinton and HilC if she was voted in.
  7. richardw

    richardw G&G Enthusiast

    No doubt about that.
  8. Cyrano

    Cyrano Resident Curmudgeon Forum Contributor

    New York
    In the "for what it's worth" department, I've noticed that Presidents who have been to war and seen the elephant are much less likely to rattle sabers or start a war than those who have not. Look at history.

    Ulysses S. Grant was far more likely to negotiate with the Native American tribes than he was to shoot first and ask questions later, even after Custer got his command masacred at the Little Big Horn.

    William McKinley, who began the Civil War as a private and was discharged as a major and saw a great deal of combat along the way, did not start the Spanish-American War. He did not even ask for a declaration of war against Spain; Congress handed him one and told him that the United States was at war with Spain.

    Woodrow Wilson campaigned in 1916 on the platform "Keep us out of the European War," and was elected to his second term on that platform. He had even attempted to mediate an end to the Great War; neither the Allies nor the Central Powers was willing to listen. It was not until after the contents of the Zimmerman Telegram became public, with the Germans promising Mexico Texas, Arizona and New Mexico as war reparations if Mexico would declare war against the United States and fight on the German side, that he declared war against the Central Powers. Even then, he did not join the Allies but instead operated as "an associated power."

    Franklin Roosevelt spent a lot of time from 1940 onwards rattling his saber at the Germans, committing the U.S. Navy to more and more activities against the German Navy, cooperating with the Royal Navy in the matter of convoy escort work even before the destroyer segment of the "Two Ocean Navy" began to join the fleet. Let us not forget the "destroyers for bases" deal he struck with the British that resulted in fifty mothballed WWI-vintage "four pipers" being turned over to the Andrew. I read it as his attempting to egg Hitler into declaring war on the United States. I note that he never served in uniform.

    Harry Truman had the Korean War thrust upon him by the United Nations; he certainly didn't provoke it. He wasn't all that happy about sending our troops to fight in that alternately roasting and freezing region, but once they were committed he completely supported them. He knew what war was like, having fought in the Artillery in the Great War; and having had to make the decision to use the atomic bomb to end the Second World War rather than be responsible for creating a "lost generation" of Americans that would make what happened to the British and the French (and the Germans) look pale by comparison.

    Eisenhower walked his way through a diplomatic minefield for eight years, but made it through without getting us entangled in a war despite the French urging him to involve American ground troops in Vietnam and the British urging him to involve them in the Suez Canal Crisis. Although Ike never got shot at himself, he had seen what modern warfare did to Europe and knew how many million casualties had befallen the men under his command in Europe -- and he did not want to preside over a repeat performance.

    Lyndon Johnson, who held a Silver Star awarded him by MacArthur more for his position as a once and future Congressman than for any act of military valor, ignored the conclusion Kennedy had reached about involving ground troops in Vietnam (which boiled down to, "Send advisors and send weapons and materiel, but don't send American troop units to fight there") and got us involved in fighting someone else's war. If Johnson had seen the kind of combat for which the Silver Star is usually awarded, I wonder if he would have been so eager to show that he had big brass balls by sending our troops to fight a war with an ally that was not willing to fight for their country?

    Bush the Elder saw a fair bit of combat in World War II and earned a DFC for cold-bloodedly deciding it was more important to take out the gun position he was attacking than it was for him to get his battle-damaged Avenger back to the carrier. He led the coalition that freed Kuwait from the Iraqi occupation and smashed the Iraqi Army flat in what could be justly referred to as "The Hundred Hours War." But he didn't start it, and finished it in a manner so decisive that had capturing Baghdad and hanging Saddam from that fancy war monument on the outskirts of town been part of his brief, Saddam would have become gallows-fruit a decade before he actually was hanged for his crimes against the Iraqi people.

    Bush the Younger never got shot at, and his service in the Air Force was at best half-hearted. He was hot and eager to prove he was every bit the warrior his daddy was, and as a result got the United States mired down in the first aggressive war the United States had ever fought. The billions of dollars of damage and squandered resources are squarely on his head.

    And of course the ongoing fighting in Afghanistan is directly the fault of the Obamination, who never served a day in uniform in his life and holds anyone who has in deep contempt. But that did not stop the worthless ba$tard from attempting to claim the credit for Osama's death. He has caused trillions of dollars in damage and wasted effort and in my opinion deserves to be hanged from the nearest lamp post for getting us involved in a war that did not need to be fought.

    See what I mean about those who have not been involved in a war being more likely to get us stuck into one than those who have fought in a war or fought a war being less likely to do so?
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  9. 870shooter1

    870shooter1 G&G Evangelist

    If ANY of those roaches in Washington had to fight, there's be a lot less violence!

    The rules of war ought to be changed.

    Have the leaders have to lead the battles from the front line! Let the young men stay home and cheer!
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  10. Ten Man

    Ten Man G&G Evangelist

    Back when this country was Founded, everyone that was able was asked to fight. The Militia WAS THE PEOPLE.

    A "Standing Army" is fighting by proxy, and relieves the masses from their responsibility to defend their country. Those that do not ready themselves to fight for their country, have no skin in the game, and thus have no compassion for those that do their fighting for them.
  11. Big Dog

    Big Dog Retired IT Dinosaur Wrangler Forum Contributor

    Cyrano, that was as good a rundown on the different Presidents and one illegal alien pretender as I havevever read.
    Though regarding your treatment of said pretender, I'd pack ten pounds of sparklers up his arse and light 'em off, so he can light the night sky as he swings in the wind.
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