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Overall Remington Safety Issues

Discussion in 'Remington' started by BattleRifleG3, Apr 2, 2002.

  1. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    I keep hearing about Remington rifles going off when the safety is flipped, could everyone share what they know about this? My mother's been going wild about Remingtons being horrible and "blowing up in your face" and doesn't know what she's talking about. I just sold my Remington 710 and wonder what people know.
     
  2. Re: Remington safety issues

    A woman had finiished hunting and was unloading her M700 rifle. When she took it off of "safe", it fired, striking and killing her son. Remington has found out that an amateur had changed the trigger setting improperly.
     

  3. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    That's another story my mother told me, thanks for the clarification.
     
  4. Augustis

    Augustis G&G Newbie

    Originally posted by BattleRifleG3
    I keep hearing about Remington rifles going off when the safety is flipped, could everyone share what they know about this? My mother's been going wild about Remingtons being horrible and "blowing up in your face" and doesn't know what she's talking about. I just sold my Remington 710 and wonder what people know.

    BattleRifleG3

    The M/710 is not effected in *this* issue.

    I had a good long post concerning this issue written and aol kicked me off and I lost it, I will put this link up for now and start typing again tomorrow if I have time.

    I have made several posts concerning this issue here at Gun & Game over the last year or so and I think you were involved in one of them last year if memory serves me correctly if you are the same "BattleRifle".

    I have seen so many false statement made concerning this issue, IMHO because Gun Issues are so polorized in the current political climate of gun control.

    You have those that *Cant* hear anything positive about firearms and those that *Wont* hear anything negitive, in order to discuss safety concerns/ issues people have to remain in the middle and stick to facts.

    The condition to FSR (Fires On Safety Release) is what this condition is termed by Remington Personnel, It is *Very* real and potentially dangerous.

    Augustis ><>


    "Hunters Death Ruled Accidental" Bozeman Daily Chronicle

    http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?show=archivedetails&pnpid=311&om=0&ArchiveID=629204
     
  5. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    I always keep my muzzle pointed in a safe direction, no matter what. The only reason I ever look down a barrel is if the action's open and I'm inspecting the bore.

    Guns going off like this is a serious safety issue. People getting shot this way is a serious stupidity issue.
     
  6. Augustis

    Augustis G&G Newbie

    BRG3 I cheated and did a copy/paste from another post I wrote to a gentleman, it was quite apparent that he was struggleing with adjusting his F/C, and was asking for advice. I encouraged him to take the rifle to a *Qualified* Smith. Here is part of his reply:

    <<I still will not point my rifle at anything/anyone that I would not be willing to kill/destroy. That is (correct me if I am wrong) is CARDINAL RULE #1.>>

    Would you consider this to be a sound position if the system was adjusted to potentially produce an AD by someone who has no idea what he is doing?

    Here is my reply to the gentleman, I would like to refrence the first 3 rules of "Safe Gun Handling" I can of course document the remainder of my reply with Remington internal memoranda.

    My Reply:

    Yes it is, That was Remingtons answer to this problem as well and they are counting on it.
    Instead of a recall on the M/700 back in 1979 after they estimated that 1% of 2 million rifles could FSR (Fire On Safety Release)in internal documents Jan.2,1979 Product Safety Subcommittee meetings they decided to implement a message concerning "Safe Gun Handling" to the public.
    In another Product Safety Subcommittee meeting Jan.23,1979 they implemented a message through SAAMI concerning "Safe Gun Handling" Does anyone remember "Half Safe Is Un-Safe" adds, would it surprize anyone to learn this is Part of the equasion concerning the "Trick" Condition that was/is present in the Walker Patented System?


    1) Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

    2) Never trust your safety.... Why?

    3) Never touch the trigger while the rifle is in the *On* safe position...


    1) Is a very good and sound goal to try to achive, can it be done 100% of the time for every second....

    2)If you touch the trigger while your rifle is in the *On* safe position you could "Trick* the fire control into Inadvertent Discharge (FSR) when you release the safety... (So Dont Ever Trust It)

    3) Could potentially set up the "Trick* Condition if the trigger/connector fails to return to sear support position, then refer to rules #1 & #2 "Never Trust Your Safety"


    By the way the potential for a safety induced discharge is stated in the Patent Application, Dated July 11,1950 for this device.

    More food for thought anyway?

    Augustis ><>
     
  7. Re: Overall safety issues

    ...and now, this character (a yahoo group owner) is dragging up this issue and not listening to responses. He doesn't know any better but thinks he should bring it up. I have to keep wondering why?? It's 23 years old. Must not be too much of a problem because there were no recalls. Gets old.
     
  8. Augustis

    Augustis G&G Newbie

    Mike
    I have been sitting here wondering what you are talking about in your last post it did not make sense (At leased to me), who it was directed to, ETC.....
    I did gather the insident you were referring to though.

    Have you read the writing on the wall?

    Augustis ><>

    Remington "Safety Modification Program"

    http://www.remington.com/Safety_Modification_Program/remington_safety.htm

    CBS Story "Remington to repair rifles"

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/06/eveningnews/main503164.shtml

    The Montana Standard "Manhattan Family Backs Rifle Recall"

    http://www.mtstandard.com/rednews/2002/03/10/build/newsregional/1region.html
     
  9. Sir,
    I just keep wondering why this comes up over and over in different forums and forms. Anti-gun/anti-hunting folks dredging up the past?? Good time for someone to take shots at Remington?? Seems strange to me a 23 year old incident would pop up with renewed interest.
     
  10. Augustis

    Augustis G&G Newbie

    Mike says...

    <<Seems strange to me a 23 year old incident would pop up with renewed interest.>>

    What are you talking about, what 23 year old incident? Now I am really getting confused....




    Regards, Augustis ><>
     
  11. I don't think there are recalls but if you check the remington site you will see that they are suggesting that you get your 700's checked if they are 1982 and up. Have a look... you can search by ser # to see if yours needs reworking.