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Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by Stewart, Jun 26, 2002.

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  1. This has been next on the chopping block for some time now, some schools still do it but others have stopped because it my offend others, now it's ruled unconstitutional.

    SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- For the first time ever, a federal appeals court declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional Wednesday because of the words "under God" added by Congress in 1954.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the phrase amounts to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the Constitution's Establishment Clause, which requires a separation of church and state.

    "A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion," Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.

    The appeals said that when President Eisenhower signed the legislation inserting "under God" after the words "one nation," he wrote that "millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty."

    The court noted that the U.S. Supreme Court has said students cannot hold religious invocations at graduations and cannot be compelled to recite the pledge. But when the pledge is recited in a classroom, a student who objects is confronted with an "unacceptable choice between participating and protesting," the appeals court said.

    "Although students cannot be forced to participate in recitation of the pledge, the school district is nonetheless conveying a message of state endorsement of a religious belief when it requires public school teachers to recite, and lead the recitation of, the current form of the pledge," the court said.

    The case was brought by Michael A. Newdow, a Sacramento atheist who objected because his second-grade daughter was required to recite the pledge at the Elk Grove school district. A federal judge dismissed his lawsuit, but the 9th Circuit ordered that the case proceed to trial.

    "I'm an American citizen. I don't like my rights infringed upon by my government," he said in an interview. Newdow called the pledge a "religious idea that certain people don't agree with."

    The government had argued that the religious content of "one nation under God" is minimal.

    But the appeals court said that an atheist or a holder of certain non-Judeo-Christian beliefs could see it as an attempt to "enforce a 'religious orthodoxy' of monotheism."

    Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
  2. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    That is BS. The Government can not FORCE people to say it, but under the First Ammendment it also can not PREVENT people from voluntarily saying it. I think that is basically what the court ruled and it is being slanted by the liberal media.


    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    Isn't that a bunch 'o crap! We will be pledging allegiance to Mein Kampf some day, should say they will, I'll either be dead on my own or they'll have ta kill me!
  4. It used to be that if you DIDNT stand up and recite the Pledge of Allegiance at school, you would be thrown out!

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    Yes or deemed an unpatriotic jerk!
  6. BenP

    BenP G&G Newbie

    The government as a whole cannot force anyone to say it, but to a 6 year old in first grade who would refuse, what kind of pressure do you think he's likely to get from the teacher? His classmates? The principal? The court case that this was decided upon is what I just described. Ike should never have let them put it in.

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    The failure to recite the pledge every morning and the absense of the 10 commandments has led to the state we are in these days. Kids have no love of country or God and have nothing to believe in but megamillonaire athletes and rap stars who put out tunes like "Cop Killa".
  8. Chris

    Chris Administrator Staff Member

    We have all gone mad!

    The Pledge is uncostitutional is like saying that the people that died in all of this countries wars was in VAIN!

    Dang Liberals!
  9. Lenny

    Lenny Guest

    I disagree (who knew?!)

    NRAJOE, I don't mean to pick a fight here. Just some inteligent discussion is all I want.
    I don't believe that the ten commandments should be anywhere outside of a church. The separation of church and state is necessary to protect our freedom of religion. Would you feel comfortable going to court in a place that had representation of the Koran? If we are to all be seen equal under the law, we must not have posted representation of any particular faith in government biuldings.
    Removing god from the pledge does not really change the pledge. The pledge is to the USA, not god. The pledge is an affirmation of unity with the country and has nothing really to do with religion.
    I sort of agree with your assertion aboiut the way kids act nowadays. But I sorta don't. Kids are more aware these days about the actions of our government. Kids are aware of the actions of Klinton, which made a mockery of the USA all over the world. The kids know more and more about governmental mistakes and coverups. In a way, they have a reason not to be so patriotic. On the other hand, our brilliant display at the olympics and Spet. 11th have rekindled a new sense of patriotism all across the nation. And our military consists completely of volunteers. The military has becoming more and more picky about who they allow into the ranks. This means we have better, smarter soldiers than ever before.
  10. Liberal--More like the extreme left. What I don't get is how one person with a lawsuit can cause this kind of a black mark against freedom. After all is said and done--It doesn't suprise me at all.
  11. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    If I lived in a country that believed the koran and allah I most assuredly would expect to see it. Religion is what keeps us civilized and lawful and respectful.This country was based on Gods ways and help in delivering us here. We were meant to be here and a great nation arose because we believe in him.The only things kids believe in politically is the mtv rock the vote bullcrap that has a very liberal slant to it! The good kids go in the service and learn these things...GOD bless them!
  12. We agree to disagree.

    Lenny: Don't you think that our fore fathers based our laws on the ten commandments. And where did the ten commandments come from? Now this is my opinion only, but God played a big part in the early years of this country--So now all of that is null and void?
    I don't agree that the kid's now days know much of anything about politics or our government.
    The ten commandments do belong in our school.
    If you don't want to recite the Pledge of Alligence--then don't it is your right, but this athiest jerk doesn't have the right to impose his idea's on the majority.
  13. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    Alan, I p.m'd you about some of this...check your user cp buddy.
  14. NRAJOE I wished I had viewed your post first. That's mine in a nutshell. You are one to cut to the chase.
  15. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    Great minds think alike?? :eek:
  16. Thanks NRAJOE-- Just checked it--will get back to it later. Just got home and wanted to voice my unopinonated opinion to other posts.:D
  17. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    Sure, no problem. If everyone agreed with us they'd be alright wouldn't they...LOL !
  18. Logansdad

    Logansdad Guest

    Proof that the Supreme court has far more power than the rest of the Government...except maybe the Infernal Revenooers...oops umm Internal Revenue
  19. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    You are correct sir! The many being led by the few!
  20. Shaun

    Shaun G&G Evangelist

    Oh this one really gets me , Okay thats it how do we cause that earthquake to take PRK off the continental shelf and make it an underwater amusement park. You know I bet if we took up a collection we could cover every entrance to the socialistic country of PRK with warnings stating that entry to the area is to be considered a giving up U.S citizenship. I am not the religous type but I have never blocked anything and the "Under God" portion I still said as I believe whole heartedly in this country and not the socialistic Klinton views
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