Pope Francis makes deal with the ChiComs

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  1. Cyrano

    Cyrano Resident Curmudgeon Forum Contributor

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  2. Big Dog

    Big Dog Retired IT Dinosaur Wrangler Forum Contributor

    Just one commie bowing to other commies.
     

  3. BigEd63

    BigEd63 G&G Evangelist

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    I'm very disgusted with him.

    Pope John Paul II is probably spinning in his grave right now!

    No, I'm not Catholic but I did respect JPII for his stance against communism.
    I did and do however know that the socialists had infiltrated the Catholic Church like any other in different branches.
    Didn't realize how bad until the current Pope.
    Oh well I can't throw stones as one state Protestant denomination is all worked up about getting federal tax money to help settle Syrian refugees...mooselim ones in Arkansas.:rolleyes:
     
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  4. mitchr

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    From "documentaries" I've seen, the Catholic church also sided with/abetted nazis fleeing from justice after WWII.

    Not an indictment against Catholics, but the upper clergy!
     
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  5. BigEd63

    BigEd63 G&G Evangelist

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    Yeah I don't know what they were or were not thinking at the time.
    Odd coincidence Francis being from Argentina iirc?
     
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  6. shanebrews

    shanebrews G&G Evangelist

    A bit of info on inner Catholic workings: Francis has now appointed about 60% of the current Cardinal electors. If he can hold out 2-3 years he will be able to pack the college of Cardinals with a super majority that would permit him to handpick a successor.
     
  7. Sportsterboy

    Sportsterboy G&G Evangelist

    He just came out (intentional choice of words) in favor of same sex marriage or at minimum, civil unions this week.
    My wife was raised Catholic, about blew a basket on hearing that.
     
  8. TACAV

    TACAV G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

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    So the Pope just basically signed on to what is essentially religious registration with the Chinese government and recognizing Chinese government's appointed and approved church leadership puppets...

    While getting nothing in return...

    Is trump gonna have to go negotiate for the pope against China now too?:rolleyes:
     
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  9. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor

    Looks like the stars might be lining up........I've never been one of those armageddon types (although I've been in enough scrapes and supply disruptions to know ya gotta have tools to do what ya want to do) but stuff like this sure gets things pointed that way.
     
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  10. runfiverun

    runfiverun G&G Evangelist

    I remember a slight easing of religious restrictions right before the slip up that allowed people to just walk across the death zone into west Germany.
    people flocked to their local churches [there] when that happened and many meetings were held to discuss how to best get across the wall, before it opened up.

    much of china was catholic before the communist take over, I think this pope dude is throwing those people under the bus.
    why?
    he is trying to remain relevant in a changing world.
    look at what the popes 1-9 went through to gain the power they have now.
    [never mind removing the Templars to remove any competition for the treasury]
    they got no army or anything like that, the only way to remain relevant is to keep the dough rolling in and other leaders religious enough to back your play.
     
  11. chris l2018

    chris l2018 G&G Evangelist

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    Is the Pope doing business with the same Communist government that Trump pays/ has paid taxes to?

    In justifying having bank accounts and local companies in China, Trump's people explained that it was part of 'chasing deals' in the country, as was paying local, Chinese, tax.

    I believe that that Trumos partnership with the State Grid Corporation would have involved licensing and managing a development in Beijing.

    Mr. Trump was reportedly still pursuing the deal months into his first presidential campaign, but it was abandoned after State Grid became ensnared in a corruption investigation by Chinese authorities.

    So doing business with Communist China is apparently approved from the very top!

    Discuss.
     
  12. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor

    Not much of a discussion.

    Everyone everywhere pays taxes on any foreign investment (whether that's a factory, hotel, golf course, shoe shine stand, brothel, or all of the above--'licenses' being a particularly evil form of tax which also brings along strings of a degree of statist control over a capital investment (and potential loss thereof)--but it's done in every country on the planet) to the taxation authority there in accordance with the rules in that country. Same as for a Japanese company who opens a factory in Indiana. Now, it'd be nice if they're paying taxes on a capital investment in a foreign land to that taxing authority if they didn't have to pay taxes HERE on that as well. Or perhaps if WE lowered OUR taxes such that corporations would be incentivized to build here rather than somewhere else (of course, you can't do that with a hotel or casino which is designed for guests to be able to pay to stay at a particular location and to reap the profits from those guests paying to stay IN that particular location).

    What we have here is a propaganda belching individual with full blown statist fueled TDS.
     
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  13. chris l2018

    chris l2018 G&G Evangelist

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    "Not much of a discussion."

    It was an invitation to discuss...

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term for criticism or negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration."

    Which part of my previous post is critical or a negative reaction?

    I merely point out that if your Supreme Leader is happy to deal with China in the interests of serving Mammon, it would hypocritical to criticise the Pontiff for doing so in the interests of serving God.

    "The word "pontiff" comes from the Latin "pontifex," meaning "bridge-builder."
     
  14. Huey Rider

    Huey Rider G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    We do not have a “Supreme Leader”. Our constitution divides our sovereignty up into three branches, the executive, the legislative and judicial. It’s called separation of powers and gives the right of the people to delegate that power yet not be involved in that power. It keeps the power to the people and The power of the government in balance as to prevent one person/entity from becoming too powerful. The last time we had a Supreme Leader was in 1776 and we booted his fat *** out.
     
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  15. Junction15

    Junction15 G&G Evangelist

    I know almost nothing of the Catholic Church's organizational structure.
    From that point of view:
    Christian religions in developed nations used to maintain a position where the church and the state were separate entities. I recall that taxation is a big deal and that the church was largely exempt from owing taxes. And the churches kept their noses out of politics (at least that was the principle, if not the practice)
    It looks to me like ChiCom will now rule over the Catholic Church and require them to pay tribute. Much like the Romans forced the Jews in Israel to do, some 2 thousand years ago.
     
  16. runfiverun

    runfiverun G&G Evangelist

    you need a bank account to deposit money into and to remove money from to pay bills and payroll.
    probably a lot easier to do that all in one currency rather than to keep on exchanging it back and forth.
    [exchanging money is another game to be played by experts and may or may not be worth the expense to a business]
     
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  17. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor

    Exactly.

    The individual using the term is using a trick of rhetoric to shift towards acceptance of a TDS position. A not so subtile injection of prose to equate our President to a dictator rather than the public servant he is executing defined and delineated powers.

    I don't like that many of our supposed 'news' sources have become agenda based propaganda intent on driving a position rather than informing. But given there's been so much over the years, for those of us with our eyes open it's easy to spot fairly quickly these days (when you get lied to for years, there are some people who rather than start to believe the lie wholly discount the credibility of the sources). Same as for 'universal' anything, "Gun Crimes", "Why do you NEED blah blah blah," "Common sense blah blah blah" "Reasonable restrictions" "Gun Safety measures" "Why not wear an (ineffective) mask so others are comfortable" (by you effectively lying to them through deed), etc.

    I just wish more people had their eyes open rather than taking solace in the false (but comforting to the weak minded) buzz phrases.
     
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  18. Personally Nothing surprises me coming from the Catholic Church. While I'm not saying all who are part of the Catholic Church bad, the Catholic Church has had a history similar to many Governments making deals and attempting to gain control of assets etc with as dark an underbelly as most governments. I could go on but I won't.

    Church in general is fine, but I believe that there are many paths to God and not all of them involve organized religion.
     
  19. Jim Bridger

    Jim Bridger G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Arguments regarding religions never end well.:(:(
     
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  20. Rocky7

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    I am Catholic. I don't like him, either. He is a Jesuit. Jesuits are, let's say, "progressive".
     
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