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Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by gsbuickman, Sep 14, 2017 at 1:49 AM.


  1. Yup. It's a riff on the Borg.
     
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  2. Cyrano

    Cyrano Resident Curmudgeon Forum Contributor

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    Specifically, Star Trek: The Next Generation. In Season 4, the two part episode "The Best of Both Words" has Captain Picard assimilated by the Borg as the drone "Locutus."
     
  3. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist

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    Picardus Locutus. I always wondered why the Borg gave him a latin-esque name.
     
  4. runfiverun

    runfiverun G&G Evangelist

    they didn't,,, the script writers that week did.
     
  5. Cyrano

    Cyrano Resident Curmudgeon Forum Contributor

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    I suppose they chose "Locutus" (meaning "Speaker") because they thought they could not get away with "Idoneus Dux" ("Unfit Captain").

    I am not a fan of Jean-Luc Picard. Roddenberry told the networks when he was pitching TOS that James T. Kirk's avatar was Captain Horatio Hornblower of HMS Lydia. Picard's avatar seems to be Captain Merrill Steubing of the RMS Pacific Princess ... and that is not a compliment.
     
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  6. gsbuickman

    gsbuickman G&G Evangelist

    Yep, I may have TNG in my Star Trek collection, I may even watch it on rare occasion but it's not exactly my cup of tea. It's just too diplomatic, too pro-government, too Pro system for my taste. My go to Star Trek fix is Deep Space Nine with Ben Sisko and Voyager with Captain Janeway, the 2 best Trek series imo . You can also catch the highlights of wulf 359 on the first couple episodes of DS9 season 1.
     
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  7. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist

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    DS9 is by far my favorite, but there are some great TNG episodes too. I just want someone to cut Brannon Braga loose on a new Star Trek series the way they did on DS9.
    Both Voyager and Enterprise improved tremendously when he was handed the reins.

    DS9 is where you learn that the Federation is far from perfect, and you see all the cracks in the Utopia. There is one question the show never answered that has always bothered me (besides what the Breen look like).

    Supposedly humans, thanks to the Federation, can do pretty much whatever they want with their lives. Money isn't necessary and everything is hunky dory.

    Ben Sisko's dad is a chef in New Orleans.

    Without a system of commerce:
    A. How did he get to own a restaurant? Is there a lottery? Some sort of contest? In a world without commerce there would theoretically be no property ownership, so is he just an at-will employee of the First Estate?

    B. Why would anyone choose to be a waiter in a restaurant? Or a busboy? That is not a job one chooses if they have a choice. The only reasons I can think of for someone choosing to be a waiter is that it is a Jiro-style apprenticeship towards becoming a chef, or these are the mental deficients in some sort of work program.

    C. How does the government determine someone's house? Sisko's dad lives in this retro place in the Quarter, but how did he "earn" that home without a system of commerce? For Starfleet personnel this is sort of answered in Voyager in regards to Reg's apartment, but there is no explanation of home ownership for civilians.

    D. Why does he live in the Quarter? We see people beam from halfway across the planet to eat there, and they can take a shuttlecraft from the opposite side of the planet to get there in less than 30 minutes. He could live anywhere, and if there is some sort of system for getting a restaurant as well as some sort of system for getting prime property in the location of your choice, how the hell did he manage to win that lottery twice?

    E. As a side question only slightly related to B., we know that there are still strip clubs on earth thanks to random comments. If girls no longer have to pay their way through college or take that kind of job to support a kid or a nasty habit, how do clubs ever find enough employees?
     
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  8. gsbuickman

    gsbuickman G&G Evangelist

    Well, if memory serves me correct we already know the answer to the restaurant, Cisco's place. The restaurant, cooking for people and being a chef was basically handed down from father to son, because I think Ben sisko's dad was talking to Jake and he was telling Jake that his father taught him just like his grandfather taught his father all about cooking before him. As far as Commerce goes there is in fact a system of supply and demand and natural resources that support everything. There are shopkeepers that sell goods and provide services for things, there are also minors that mine for resources like gold dilithium crystals and latinum that we know about, and there's gotta be a lot of other jobs such as waiters and Busboys as well as people working in other Industries such as making the things that Supply the shopkeepers and other retail Ventures. Another good example is Jean-Luc Picard's family owns a winery, therefore there has to be employees that help them grow the grapes and run the winery, and Ezri Dax's family runs a mining Consortium. Just because it's a credit-based economy rather than a precious metals based economy doesn't mean there's still some form of Commerce in one way or the other.
     
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  9. Cyrano

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    You're getting your wish, PHD. Braga is the Executive Producer on Star Trek: Discovery. I personally am concerned about this. Not because Braga is running the circus, but because of where the production team chose to position Discovery on the Trek timeline.

    The show is set just ten years before the start of Kirk's five year mission in command of the USS Enterprise. The uniforms have nothing in common with what we know will follow in a decade on the timeline. The timeline positioning means it's possible that we could encounter any member of the TOS command crew except Chekov. All of them except Uhura and Sulu would be lieutenants or lieutenant commanders. It is possible that Kirk, just having been deep-dipped for LCDR, has been given his first command, the equivalent of a destroyer or destroyer escort. Spock would be a science officer (not THE Science Officer, head of the Science Department) in the Enterprise under Captain Christopher Pike. McCoy and Scotty might or might not be in the Big E. Sulu and Uhura would be ensigns fresh out of Starfleet Academy. It's possible Kirk has obtained Sulu as one of his helm officers in his first command; the two of them worked very well together in TOS, far more so than could be accounted for by a routine assignment. But if they had served together in Kirk's first command, that would explain their smooth meshing aboard the Enterprise.

    Braga has indicated that as Discovery progresses, we will encounter characters from TOS. So far, the only one we know of for sure is Harcourt Fenton Mudd. But considering where the team decided to position the series on the timeline, there will be others; and I don't see any way they can avoid running across Kirk eventually. Remember, in TOS he is the captain of one of the twelve most powerful ships in Starfleet, and far and away the youngest Constitution-class captain. In the episode "Court Martial," Kirk met several classmates in a bar on Starbase 11. All of them are junior officers, lieutenants and lieutenant commanders. We also met four serving and former starship captains (the court martial board); all of them are at least ten years older than James Kirk. This is consistent with Kirk having been deep-dipped for promotion twice. We also met Commodore Matt Decker of the Constellation; Fleet Captain Garth of Izar; Captain Ronald Tracy of the USS Exeter; and Commodore Robert Wesley of the USS Lexington. they too are at least a decade older than Kirk. So, working backwards from "Court Martial," and presuming the rules on promotion in Starfleet are similar to those of the United States Navy (a reasonable presumption), it's quite possible that Kirk has been out of the Academy five or six years and is a lieutenant commander, and thus eligible for command of a small Starfleet vessel. The show bible for TOS stated that Kirk got "his first command (a destroyer class vessel) while he was still quite young." That would make Kirk 26 or 27.

    Besides, I am sure the fans will demand that the crew of Discovery eventually run across some of the legends who served in the NCC-1701 Enterprise at some point, before they became legends. This possibility is one reason I wish the series was set earlier on the timeline, preferably during the Federation-Romulan War first mentioned in "Balance of Terror." This war took place some time between the end of ST:E (at which point the United Federation of Planets had not yet come into existence) and the start of TOS. It's a completely unexplored part of the Trek timeline, and Braga's team could have done whatever they wished, subject only to facts established in ST:E.

    We will just have to wait and see what Braga and Company will do with the new series.
     
  10. runfiverun

    runfiverun G&G Evangelist

    how do we know the crew wasn't handpicked by watching audition films then assigned their positions according to best fitment of the role?
     
  11. Ron Eagle Elk

    Ron Eagle Elk G&G Evangelist

    There was a time when I was thinking of being assimilated by 7of9. I was single back then, of course.
     
  12. Dragunov

    Dragunov G&G Evangelist

    I, uhhhh..... Think I'll just go over here and uh, play Sims now.... (Slowly, cautiously, backing away):oops:
     
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  13. Rambo

    Rambo Norse by birth Forum Contributor

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  14. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist

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    Well, not really. Braga was the one who was working on the Worf-based show, and the early version of Discovery. I feel like the reigns were taken away from him by Paramount's SJWs, because the mark of a Braga series is character development and conflict.
     
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  15. gsbuickman

    gsbuickman G&G Evangelist

    Hell, I ain't afraid to say it, Jeri Ryan can assimilate Me Anytime, Anyplace, anywhere, I ain't picky about it :D ...

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