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Slave Raparations, Re-Posted

Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by Oxford, Aug 27, 2002.

  1. Oxford

    Oxford G&G Evangelist

    The following is an essay regarding the failings of a system and a culture. Please note that he
    elegantly describes the mood of many white Americans, and does so without prejudice.

    Slavery Reparations
    by Fred Reed

    On the Web I find that Henry Louis Gates, Jr., the chairman of Afro-American Studies at
    Harvard, is demanding that whites pay reparations to blacks. It's because of slavery, see. He
    is joined in this endeavor by a gaggle of other professional blacks.

    I guess he'll send me a bill, huh? I feel like saying, "Let me get this straight, Hank. I'm slow. Be patient. You want free money because of slavery, right?

    "I don't blame you. I'd like free money too. Tell you what. I believe in justice. I'll give you a
    million dollars for every slave I own, and another million for every year you were a slave. Fair
    enough?

    "But tell me, how many slaves do you suppose I have? In round numbers, I mean. Say to the
    nearest dozen. And how long were you a slave?"

    "Oh." "In other words, I owe you reparations for something that I didn't do and didn't happen
    to you. That makes sense. Like lug nuts on a birthday cake.

    "Personally, I think you owe me reparations for things you didn't do and never happened to me. I've never been coated in Dutch chocolate and thrown from the Eiffel Tower. I'll bet you've
    never done it to anyone.

    "I want reparations." Kinda silly, isn't it? But if we're going to talk about reparations, that's a
    street that runs in two directions. You want money from me for what some other whites did to some other blacks in another century. How about you guys paying whites reparations for current expenses caused by blacks?

    Not long ago blacks burned down half of Los Angeles, a city in my country. Cities are expensive, Hank. Build one sometime and you'll see what I mean. Whites had to pay taxes to repair Los Angeles for you. You can send me a check.

    Now, yes, I know you burned L.A. because you didn't like the verdict in the trial of those police officers. Well, I didn't like the verdict in the Simpson trial. But I didn't burn my house and loot Korean grocers. Over the years blacks have burned a lot of American cities: Newark, Detroit, Watts, on and on. Now add in the fantastic cost over the years of welfare in all its forms, of large police forces and jails and security systems in department stores. I can't live in the capital city of my own country because of crime committed by blacks. Toss in the cultural cost of lowering standards in everything for the benefit of blacks.

    See what I mean? Now, I'd view things differently if you said, "Fred, blacks can't get anywhere in a modern country without education. We know that. We need better schools, smarter teachers, harder courses, books with smaller pictures and bigger words. Can you help us?"

    I'd say, "Hallelujah! Hoo-ahh! Not just yes, but hell yes. Let's sell an aircraft carrier and get these folks some real schools and get them into the economic mainstream." I'd say it partly because it would be the right thing to do, and partly, because I'd like to add you guys to the tax base.

    The current custodial state is expensive. I'd just love for blacks to study and learn to compete and stop burning places. "But is it going to happen? "You may not believe it, but I, and most whites, don't like seeing blacks as miserable and screwed up as they are. I spend a fair amount of time in the projects. Those places are ugly. It's no fun watching perfectly good kids turn into semiliterate dope dealers, who barely speak English. It just plain ain't right.

    But, Hank, what am I supposed to do about it? I can't do your children's homework. At some point, people have to do things for themselves, or they don't get done. "Maybe it's time. "I'll tell you what I see out in the world, Hank.

    I think blacks are too accustomed to getting anything they want by just demanding it. True, it has worked for over half a century. Get a few hundred people in the street, implicitly threaten to loot and burn, holler about slavery, and the Great White Cash Spigot turns on. "Thing is, whites don't much buy it any longer. Most recognize that what once was a civil-rights movement has become a shakedown game. Few people still feel responsible for the failings and inadequacies of blacks.

    Political correctness keeps the lid on -- but everyone knows the score. Which scares me, Hank.
    On one hand, blacks hate whites and incline toward looting and burning. (The whites you hate are the ones who marched in the civil-rights movement. Ever think about that?)

    "On the other hand, whites quietly grow wearier and wearier of it. "Not good. "On the third hand (allow me three hands, for rhetorical (convenience), blacks keep demanding things.

    "As I write, you demand reparations for slavery. Blacks in Oklahoma (I think it was) want money for some ancient race riot. Other blacks reject the Declaration of Independence, blacks in New York hint broadly at burning and looting over a trial, yet more demand the elimination of the Confederate flag, and the federal equal opportunity apparatus, which means blacks, wants to sue Silicon Valley for not hiring nonexistent black engineers.

    "That's a lot of demanding for one month, Hank. What happens if whites ever say, "No?" "Now, how about you? You've got a cushy job up there at Harvard, and you can hoot and holler about what swine and bandits whites are. I guess it's lots of fun, and you get a salary for it. But don't you think you might do blacks more good if you told them to complain less and study more? "For example, if you want blacks to work in Silicon Gulch, the best approach might be to find some really smart black guys, and get them to study digital design, not Black Studies.

    "That's how everybody else does it. It works. Then blacks wouldn't feel left out, and racial tension would decline. Sound like a plan? "Just out of curiosity, how many hours a week do professors of Afro-American Studies spend in the projects, encouraging poor black kids to study real subjects, Hank?":nod: :fuss:
     
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  2. Yep, sounds about right to me.:nod:
     

  3. MarkII 22

    MarkII 22 G&G Newbie

    Your right Oxford BUT it needs to be said that not all blacks are bad people. We have friends that are black and some of the best people around. And have guns. Just a point that needs to be made.
     
  4. Oxford

    Oxford G&G Evangelist

    That's a good point.
     
  5. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    Mark, your friends are probably hated by the inner city blacks. It is not a racial problem, it is a social problem that black "leaders" are promoting, rather than fixing.
     
  6. Calvin

    Calvin G&G Newbie

    Misery loves company, Klaus. You're right on that one. And, I have to agree with Mark in that there are just as many bad whites as there are blacks in this country.
     
  7. Oxford, I would hardly say that Mr. Reeds comments are made without prejudice. In fact, most of it has a very prejudicial tone by inferring that all blacks fall into the categories he describes:

    "Not long ago blacks burned down half of Los Angeles, a city in my country. Cities are expensive, Hank. Build one sometime and you'll see what I mean. Whites had to pay taxes to repair Los Angeles for you. You can send me a check."

    Does Mr. Reed think that no blacks in all of Los Angeles pay no taxes?

    "Over the years blacks have burned a lot of American cities: Newark, Detroit, Watts, on and on. Now add in the fantastic cost over the years of welfare in all its forms, of large police forces and jails and security systems in department stores. I can't live in the capital city of my own country because of crime committed by blacks. Toss in the cultural cost of lowering standards in everything for the benefit of blacks."

    Hmmm, unless the statistical studies have changed in the last several years, there are more whites on welfare then blacks. Also Mr. Reed probably doesn't have too much to worry about living in a major city since statistically the crime rate is higher for blacks on blacks, then blacks on whites. I have watched cities burned and looted because a certain team won, or did not win, a particular sporting event and those people were not black.

    I could go on as there are other comments to comment on, the point is there are good and bad people in every race. I for one am not for slavery reparations, but the problem with Mr. Reeds column and similiar ones to it, is that it does nothing to developing and understanding of the situation.

    There are still fairly significant racial issues in this country, if Mr. Reed thinks that forms of racial discrimination do not exist today then he is living in a glass bubble. Some of the current situations are because the playing field has not been even for a long time. Are reparations the answer? I don't think so. I think that when some of these leaders believe that things real are even a lot of this talk will go away.
     
  8. Rave

    Rave G&G Evangelist

  9. BenP

    BenP G&G Newbie

    Stewart,
    Your statement that Mr. Reed is prejudicial because he inferrs that all blacks fall into the categories he describes is an incorrect conclusion. His statement is not all-inclusive. It is factual. Conversely, some whites, along with some blacks paid the taxes that repaired the damage done by the rioters.

    You can not logically infer an absolute on a statement like he made. You can infer that if any blacks were involved in starting the riots, or if any whites paid taxes for repairs, his statements are logically correct.

    I am prejudiced against any individual who is given the chance to better himself and become a contributing member of society, and instead insists on more aid and assistance while blaming others for his lack of development. I don't care what their ethnicity is.
     
  10. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    I try to not judge people by race, and actively fight racial discrimination. I have lived in Detroit and Chicago, though, and have had definite exposure to the inner city black "culture". It is quite distinct, unlike the lifestyles of whites, hispanics, orientals, and other races living in inner cities. I am not saying all blacks (for lack of a better name) are like that or other races and cultures do not have problems.
    As far as Oxford's post, he is using the same kinds of racist arguments used by the people demanding reparations. I think the whole point of his post was to turn their "reasoning" back on them.
     
  11. Ben P. , I did not say that Mr. Reed was prejudice but that his comments have a prejudical tone this could be his intention to try and prove a point in the article. If I were going to make a determination on Mr. Reed I could have picked several other comments that he made such as:

    "I think blacks are too accustomed to getting anything they want by just demanding it. True, it has worked for over half a century. Get a few hundred people in the street, implicitly threaten to loot and burn, holler about slavery, and the Great White Cash Spigot turns on. "Thing is, whites don't much buy it any longer. Most recognize that what once was a civil-rights movement has become a shakedown game. Few people still feel responsible for the failings and inadequacies of blacks.

    Political correctness keeps the lid on -- but everyone knows the score. Which scares me, Hank.
    On one hand, blacks hate whites and incline toward looting and burning. (The whites you hate are the ones who marched in the civil-rights movement. Ever think about that?)"

    If Reed wanted to make a point which did not sound that way he could have said "some Blacks are too accustomed to..... or some blacks hate whites and are inclined toward looting...." By leaving out those words it infers all which is not a logical conclusion or logically correct.

    My intention was to point out that I disagreed that Reed wrote eloquently without prejudice. I tend to agree with Klaus in that to a certain extent he was writing to prove a point to those who are demanding reparations.
     
  12. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    I think Mr Reed's comments are best described by mimicking the method's of the other side to show how wrong the reparations arguement is. Basically that blacks as a race are responsible for crime like whites as a race are responsible for slavery, when the truth is that races cannot be identified as the perpetrators of crime. I'd call it satire. I wouldn't necessarily say that Mr Reed would actually say such things himself in an arguement he's making.
     
  13. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    I thought that was what I said! I take it that Oxford is "Mr. Reed".
     
  14. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    I checked your post again, right you are.
     
  15. Oxford

    Oxford G&G Evangelist

    I am definitely not Mr. Reed, as Klaus has said, just someone who passed on an email blurp from a friend when I thought it would create a good discussion thread on this forum. It has done that at the very least. He ll...I don't write that well.

    My simple position on reparations is that their statute of limitations has expired unless they were slaves themselves. Otherwise, they should move on with joining our society by getting jobs and paying taxes just like the rest of us.

    Oxford

    :nod:
     
  16. Rave

    Rave G&G Evangelist

    S.O.S. They get what they want as usual.
    We bicker among ourselves as usual.S.O.S.
    :nod: :nod: :nod: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: