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The Gospel Of John (Moses Browning)

1. In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it worketh. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.

2. And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm.

3. And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.

4. Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.

5. And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and loose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle.

6. And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunctions to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.

7. Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men, the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.

8. And being a deceitful spirit the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did appear to function.

9. And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.

10. But man being stupid did not understand these new pistols and didst proceed to shoot themselves with the plastic pistol and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continued to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.

11. And when man had been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-Boom to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.

12. Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the prophet had intended.

13. And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil sprits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation by the followers of John.

Note: Several old manuscripts add the following text. "And they [also rendered as "these men"] didst chamber it for cartridges who's calibers startith with numbers less than the Holy Number 4. And lo the Lord did cause great grief amongst these men when their enemies who were struck in battle with these lesser numbers didst not fall but did continue to cause great harm."

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Yay, I too am a faithful accolyte of St. John Browning, may his holy name live forever! Amen.
 

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OK, if we replace 1911 with Hi Power I'm on board. Heck, if we replace that with any number of Colt designs, I'm on board, but 1st generation 1911's were web-of-the-hand-killing, such-loose-tolerances-that-you-just-hoped-it-shot-in-the-right-general-direction, largely-manufactured-by-Colt-to-ensure-every-machining-mark-was-visible-and-the-finish-between-any-two-guns-in-the-same-series-didn't-match, gritty-triggered, marvels of good basic design being buggered up by bad engineering.
Browning himself was unhappy with the design and one of the last things he did in his lifetime was to suggest some of the changes found in the A1.
We were halfway through the A1 model before we even had a third of the bugs worked out, Browning had been dead a long time before the final version of the A1 hat most people recognize as a 1911 hit the battlefield.
 

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To be brutally honest, I like Number-Model Stars more,
especially since they are copies of SIG copies of
Hi-Powers with substantial modern upgrades :D

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To be brutally honest, I like Number-Model Stars more,
especially since they are copies of SIG copies of
Hi-Powers with substantial modern upgrades :D
Does that mean your OP was a satirical comment? :usa:


In the interest of FULL DISCLOSURE, I admit I own 1911s, SIGS, and Glocks.

The same way I own Stanley, Craftsman, and Kobalt hand tools.

Humans just can not seem to leave a great product alone. They constantly take something that works, and muck it up.
 

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I just cannot bring myself to own a plastic gun. Personal foible.
 

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Does that mean your OP was a satirical comment? :usa:


In the interest of FULL DISCLOSURE, I admit I own 1911s, SIGS, and Glocks.

The same way I own Stanley, Craftsman, and Kobalt hand tools.

Humans just can not seem to leave a great product alone. They constantly take something that works, and muck it up.
Extremely, as I don't even own a 1911 ;)

Have a H.A.F.D.A.S.A. Ballerina Molester,
but that's as close as I've come so far.
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You don't have any Star Modelos? Shame on you.
Loved my Modelo Super in 9mm Largo, unfortunately so did the dipwad who broke into my house some yesrs ago.
 

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Good Lord!!! an atheistical OP!!!:mad: Posting the Gospel of Saint John Browning, and a non 1911 owner. My 1911 sits on its Holy Throne, for all to genuflect to!!!:usa::D
 

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Good Lord!!! an atheistical OP!!!:mad: Posting the Gospel of Saint John Browning, and a non 1911 owner. My 1911 sits on its Holy Throne, for all to genuflect to!!!:usa::D
Well, since my Star collection is not bad...
technically I'm a Friar of the Hi-Power variety ;)
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JMB made a lot more great weapons than
just the 1911 :D
 
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I reckon I must be a Protestant from the Church of the Holy Saint John Moses Browning. The only Browning I own is a Star Model IX-A, the Spanish version of the Holy Saint John's masterwork.

But I also own several pistols designed by the Blessed Fedor Tokarev, a disciple of the Holy Saint John, whose TT-33 is clearly inspired by the Sacred M1911 and indeed in some ways is superior to it. I know this is heresy, but I am mortally certain that if the Holy Saint had ever seen the captive recoil spring the Blessed Fedor devised, he would have verily smote himself on his forehead and uttered the words, "D'oh! Why didst I not think of this?" It is a significant improvement over the separate spring and guide rod of the M1911. Redesigning the trigger group so it can be swapped out without tools was another divine inspiration vouchsafed the Blessed Fedor.

Had he only thought to chamber the TT-33 in .45 ACP, we might have the perfect pistol. And the issue sights are superior to any contemporary of the Tokarev.

Make no mistake: I believe the Holy Saint John Moses Browning is the greatest firearms designer ever to have walked the earth. But I believe that there are others, including most emphatically the Blessed Fedor Tokarev, whose holy works deserve honor and celebration.
 
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I reckon I must be a Protestant from the Church of the Holy Saint John Moses Browning. The only Browning I own is a Star Model IX-A, the Spanish version of the Holy Saint John's masterwork.

But I also own several pistols designed by the Blessed Fedor Tokarev, a disciple of the Holy Saint John, whose TT-33 is clearly inspired by the Sacred M1911 and indeed in some ways is superior to it. I know this is heresy, but I am mortally certain that if the Holy Saint had ever seen the captive recoil spring the Blessed Fedor devised, he would have verily smote himself on his forehead and uttered the words, "D'oh! Why didst I not think of this?" It is a significant improvement over the separate spring and guide rod of the M1911. Redesigning the trigger group so it can be swapped out without tools was another divine inspiration vouchsafed the Blessed Fedor.

Had he only thought to chamber the TT-33 in .45 ACP, we might have the perfect pistol. And the issue sights are superior to any contemporary of the Tokarev.

Make no mistake: I believe the Holy Saint John Moses Browning is the greatest firearms designer ever to have walked the earth. But I believe that there are others, including most emphatically the Blessed Fedor Tokarev, whose holy works deserve honor and celebration.

Thou needest to post pics of that veritable wonder,
the Star IX-A ;)
 

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Thou needest to post pics of that veritable wonder,
the Star IX-A ;)
This is why I should not write when I'm tired. It's a Llama, not a Star. My bad.

It looks like an M1911A1 with the two-tone frame and slide of a FEG PA-63. Unusual look, but nothing unusual mechanically. It's responsible for my being here. I didn't know a lot about Llama pistols at the time, more about the Stars and the Astras. (There are a couple of those I want for the collection, but they never show up around here and being as I live in New York State, any pistol transaction must pass through a Class 1 FFL, which means unless the pistol is free or nearly, using my Class 3 C&R won't help. Not only would I have to pay shipping, but I'd have to pay a transfer fee, and the Class 1 FFL would have to collect state sales tax as if he had sold me the pistol. More backdoor gun control by the Peoples Democratic Republic of New York. I remember having to pass up a pistol once I could have had from an out of state seller for $200. But by the time you added in the shipping ($30), the transfer fee ($50), and the sales tax ($20), the price of the pistol was increased by $100 and it wasn't cost-effective on a run of the mill gun that wasn't a collectible.)

So I went online to learn about Llama pistols, and I came across G&G. I timidly asked if this particular M1911 near-clone (there are minor differences in the trigger group) was a good buy at the price the dealer was asking. My question was answered honestly, quickly, and politely. I went poking around the site and found I had something to offer, joined in the conversations, and I've been here ever since.
 

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I always liked the looks of the Llama 1911 clones, but a buddy had two of them. Both failed miserably. After trying an SA 1911 which also failed, he finally settled on an RIA 1911, which proved an excellent pistol.
 
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The Church of St Browning, is much like Christianity! Founded on a basic principal, then expanded with many, many sects!:):usa:
 

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I always liked the looks of the Llama 1911 clones, but a buddy had two of them. Both failed miserably. After trying an SA 1911 which also failed, he finally settled on an RIA 1911, which proved an excellent pistol.
I was worried about buying the IX-A primarily because the company was out of business, and there might be the problem of finding magazines that fit. When I bought it with 1 mag, the dealer sold me a Mec-Gar M1911 magazine.It loaded into the magazine well okay, but it didn't want to eject. I lubed it, sanded it, fiddled with it, and still wound up having to use a pair of pliers to get it out.

Then the local gun shop had a sale on US GI magazines still in their original storage envelopes, $8 each or three for $20. I bought one, took it home, and it worked even better than the Llama original magazine. So I went back and dropped $40 on magazines. Today, I wish I'd dropped $100 on magazines!
 
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