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This for you old or ancient guys Paper Patched bullets

Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by 15AcreWoods, Feb 19, 2009.

  1. 15AcreWoods

    15AcreWoods G&G Newbie

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    Years ago when I was young, an old friend of mine paper patched his high powered rifle lead bullets and shot them at jacketed velocities. He shot a 6.5 X 55.

    This might be a good alternative for practice using bullets cast from wheel weights.

    Anyone with experience with paper patched bullets??? Say for .30 cal how much undersize should the bullet be? Would a 7mm work (.285)??? For .25 cal a .244?
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    http://www.lrml.org/technical/ammunition/patching.htm


     
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    pdawg.shooter G&G Newbie

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    I have been patching since the early 70s. All my rifle cast loads are patched. Jacketed velocity, accuracy, and performance on game for a fraction of the price. For 30 cal. I size .301/.3015, wrap with 16# paper, lube with BAC and push through a .310 die before loading. RHN of 15.0/15.5 will work over 3000fps in a 300RUM. I use 12.0 BHN in my 45-70 and .458 win mag up to about 2600fps. Any questions you can e-mail me [email protected] and I will help in any way I can.
     
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    OK this helps. So I should size .006 to .007 under bore and do two wraps of paper. Likewise the .25 bullets for my 25-06 should be sized .250 and then the patched bullet run thru a .259 size die.

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  4. Dakoma

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    Patching with Teflon tape

    Was reading an article about paper patched bullets when I stumbled on an article about useing Teflon Tape instead.Would be of interest to research this ,not only would make it easier but teflon tape is verry slippery.Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy being the main consern also.:feedback:
     
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    Start by slugging your barrel. Size your bullet .001 to .0015 over BORE diameter. Patch with heavy enough paper to fit your throat. I usually load unsized brass, except straight wall brass. You should have a slight resistance when closing the bolt. The patch should engage the rifling when chambered. I have tried teflon tape with dismal results accuracy wise, plus it was a heck of a mess to clean up. In a 25-06 I would size .250/.2505 in a push through die. Patch with 16# paper, lube and run through a .260 die I used a 100gr over 55gr of H4831 for sub MOA groups.
     
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    Do you have a link to the teflon tape article???
     
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    Dakoma G&G Enthusiast

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    It was on a cast bullet forum,was'nt alot said and was looking for something else at the time,but was mentioned in a paper patched bullet topic and with not alot of detail.Would like to know more. :)
     
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    I have spent much of the evening looking for sizing dies, .301 and .310 for 30 cal and .250 and .259 for 25 cal. Lyman has a .251 and a.310, I could not find a .301 or a .259. There is a .258 which might work but the dies go from .285 to .308 with nothing in between.

    I went to some industrial sites and found a .302 drill bushing that I can jerry rig into a die, I was a machinist at one point in my life.

    Can you tell me where you got yours and the brand?
     
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    Dakoma G&G Enthusiast

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    Ok looked in my forum list and this is where it was mentioned.(www.castbulletassoc.org/forum) it was mentioned and with little detail as to make or wrap the bullets.Anyway site is dedicated to cast bullets,paperpatch bullets and a mention of teflon tape,will have to check it out I guess,never heard of it before utill then.:)
     
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    I started using Lee dies and lapping them out to the diameter I needed. Lee will custom make a size die for about $30, but now I make my own from heat treated 4140 rod. I get it pretreated from a truck shop. It is sold as u-bolt stock.
     
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