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Till When Ammo Prices Will Be Normal Like 2019?
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It's not. Most ammo manufacturers mid last year already said that regardless of the run on guns and ammo from politics/riots/etc the manufacturing cost of ammo is going to increase upwards of approx. 3-13% on a permanent basis just from the overall rising cost of materials etc. Similar to the cost of wood and other materials for home building.
Agree TA. Materials as you say seem through the roof. Metals are high and we know what happened to the price of walnuts for long guns years back. I was also concerned that we would see a large tax slapped on ammo to further wreck us. My LGS has some 9MM Blazer aluminum cased but at $50 per 50.
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yeah im not holding my breath for price to "go back to normal" there is a new normal. they should come down from the ridiculous highs they are at now, but not back down to pre pandemic prices, not for a long time at least. esp with the biden admin ging after guns, that can continue to fuel the shortage even as the covid related buying dies off.
that said, It seems to melike supply is slowly coming back up, or rather demand is tapernig off.
I went to bass pro the other day and they had A TON of ammo. like its been aloooong time since i saw that much ammo at one time.
they did have a 5 box limit per customer, which dissapointed me as at first i thought it was 5/ caliber.. nope.
prices were about as "normal" as they can get. $17.99 for 50 9mm. $13.99 for 20 m855( thats a little high) and $22 for some good brass jhp .300 blk. i wish i could have bought more, but was happy to get what i got.
that said, It seems to melike supply is slowly coming back up, or rather demand is tapernig off.
I went to bass pro the other day and they had A TON of ammo. like its been aloooong time since i saw that much ammo at one time.
they did have a 5 box limit per customer, which dissapointed me as at first i thought it was 5/ caliber.. nope.
prices were about as "normal" as they can get. $17.99 for 50 9mm. $13.99 for 20 m855( thats a little high) and $22 for some good brass jhp .300 blk. i wish i could have bought more, but was happy to get what i got.
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Right now the biggest single thing holding back the supply from catching up with demand is primers. Everyone is short of them including the ammo manufacturers.
There are only 4 companies that make primers in the US that supply all of the other ammo manufactures. By the 2nd half of last year domestic ammo manufacturers were already importing primers from European and Asian ammo companies.
There are only 4 companies that make primers in the US that supply all of the other ammo manufactures. By the 2nd half of last year domestic ammo manufacturers were already importing primers from European and Asian ammo companies.
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Same here, but the prices of online sellers, even before shipping costs, is still really high. big box stores do a better job of keeping prices somewhat "normal"
I recently for an instock alert for 125 rounds of m855 for $95. thats cloe to $1 per after tax and shipping.
Ammo prices haven't been "normal" since 2007 at the latest. Materials cost skyrocketed, largely due to the Chinese buying huge amounts of industrial metals, including lead and copper. And lead production being slowed by the ecogeeks.
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I usually try to avoid spam like links, but
7.99/20 .
That's getting back down close to what it was before; think last time I bought it was 4.99 or so. Others might have seen similar values on other sites; I just saw this today and said 'that's not a bad deal considering......'
I'm just awash in AK ammo with only one AK (and I'm not a huge AK fan mostly due to the awkward nature of the stock/comb angle).
7.99/20 .
That's getting back down close to what it was before; think last time I bought it was 4.99 or so. Others might have seen similar values on other sites; I just saw this today and said 'that's not a bad deal considering......'
I'm just awash in AK ammo with only one AK (and I'm not a huge AK fan mostly due to the awkward nature of the stock/comb angle).
If you are awash in AK ammo, you need to list it up for sell here. I have plenty of SKS rifles that can fire the same ammo. Dont be doing no price goughing if you list it though!
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Exactly, you are right.
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We're moving towards monopolies (technically oligopolies) on ammo production. Think of all these small brands that can no longer get supplies, all the medium-to-large brands that have been bought out by bigger brands, and the strange way that components have been throttled by companies owned under the same umbrellas as these brands - to say nothing of the issues in getting quality lead since Obama shut down American production.
It isn't just the rising cost of materials, or transport, or labor, it is the fact that maybe five companies now own 80% America's production, and those same five also own a big chunk of importation of competing foreign brands.
Months ago someone asked me why I thought there was a shortage, and I said I believed part of the reason was how few factories were even making ammo on any kind of scale versus just a few years ago. Back in just 2015 there were 13 large-scale factories. Through buyouts, disasters and mergers there are just 9 today. Those nine factories are owned by just five umbrella companies, and three of those are owned by the same megacorp. If we go back to 2005, there were nearly 70 large-scale ammunition factories in America. Not too many years before that even store brands under the same corporate umbrella often had their own separate production lines. At one point, Remington alone had three factories, and Winchester's various brands had five.
Now the megacorps have control of the supply and can manufacture the demand to set any price they wish.
Since there are hundreds of boutique manufacturers out there, now, these big companies can always claim they do not have a monopoly or oligopoly. Meanwhile, they can actually throttle the supply of components to these smaller makers.
It isn't just the rising cost of materials, or transport, or labor, it is the fact that maybe five companies now own 80% America's production, and those same five also own a big chunk of importation of competing foreign brands.
Months ago someone asked me why I thought there was a shortage, and I said I believed part of the reason was how few factories were even making ammo on any kind of scale versus just a few years ago. Back in just 2015 there were 13 large-scale factories. Through buyouts, disasters and mergers there are just 9 today. Those nine factories are owned by just five umbrella companies, and three of those are owned by the same megacorp. If we go back to 2005, there were nearly 70 large-scale ammunition factories in America. Not too many years before that even store brands under the same corporate umbrella often had their own separate production lines. At one point, Remington alone had three factories, and Winchester's various brands had five.
Now the megacorps have control of the supply and can manufacture the demand to set any price they wish.
Since there are hundreds of boutique manufacturers out there, now, these big companies can always claim they do not have a monopoly or oligopoly. Meanwhile, they can actually throttle the supply of components to these smaller makers.
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Wish I wasnt though.
Cases of ammo went up $40-60 on average (our bulk purchase prices), biggest increase was our match sniper ammo for our department. That went up a LOT per 500 round case.
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Yes I have but the price is at least $1 per round or higher.
Locally even the 7.62x39 is $.60 to $.75 per round.
I'm so glad I reload. We are starting to get primers locally, they are about 3 times what they are supposed to be.
The guy at the local gun shop says it will be about 2 or 3 years for prices to start coming down as long as the Dimbulb in the white house doesn't get his hands into it.
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I just got an update that one of my suppliers had .38 SPL in stock again. It was $39 a box, my price, for stuff I used to SELL at $16 two years ago.
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I have noticed most of the ammo is useless for Big Game hunting? Many of the ads are followed by "Out Of Stock" ?? A major War is pending. I expect ammo and powder and primers are on hold. During the Vietnam War civilians had problems securing even over priced ammo.
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Weirdly, it is nearly impossible for many of us to find ammo, largely because of the U.S. government and its policies, and yet we're giving all sorts of ammo away in Afghanistan.
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