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I dont have a problem with the useing of AKs by our tank crews....just not so sure I like the fact that the US Army does nto have enough rifles.....guess SOG should send them a flyer.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...p/20030824/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_ak_47_heaven_1

U.S. Troops Use Confiscated Iraqi AK-47s
Sun Aug 24, 2:15 PM ET

By ANDREW ENGLAND, Associated Press Writer

BAQOUBA, Iraq - An American soldier stands at the side of an Iraqi highway, puts his AK-47 on fully automatic and pulls the trigger.

Within seconds the assault rifle has blasted out 30 rounds. Puffs of dust dance in the air as the bullets smack into the scrubland dirt. Test fire complete.


U.S. troops in Iraq (news - web sites) may not have found weapons of mass destruction, but they're certainly getting their hands on the country's stock of Kalashnikovs — and, they say, they need them.


The soldiers based around Baqouba are from an armor battalion, which means they have tanks, Humvees and armored personnel carriers. But they are short on rifles.


A four-man tank crew is issued two M4 assault rifles and four 9mm pistols, relying mostly on the tank's firepower for protection.


But now they are engaged in guerrilla warfare, patrolling narrow roads and goat trails where tanks are less effective. Troops often find themselves dismounting to patrol in smaller vehicles, making rifles essential.


"We just do not have enough rifles to equip all of our soldiers. So in certain circumstances we allow soldiers to have an AK-47. They have to demonstrate some proficiency with the weapon ... demonstrate an ability to use it," said Lt. Col. Mark Young, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Infantry Division.


"Normally an armor battalion is fighting from its tanks. Well, we are not fighting from our tanks right now," Young said. "We are certainly capable of performing the missions that we have been assigned, there's no issue with that, but we do find ourselves somewhat challenged."


In Humvees, on tanks — but never openly on base — U.S. soldiers are carrying the Cold War-era weapon, first developed in the Soviet Union but now mass produced around the world.


The AK is favored by many of the world's fighters, from child soldiers in Africa to rebel movements around the world, because it is light, durable and known to jam less frequently.


Now U.S. troops who have picked up AKs on raids or confiscated them at checkpoints are putting the rifles to use — and they like what they see.


Some complain that standard U.S. military M16 and M4 rifles jam too easily in Iraq's dusty environment. Many say the AK has better "knockdown" power and can kill with fewer shots.


"The kind of war we are in now ... you want to be able to stop the enemy quick," said Sgt. 1st Class Tracy S. McCarson of Newport News, Va., an army scout, who carries an AK in his Humvee.


Some troops say the AK is easier to maintain and a better close-quarters weapon. Also, it has "some psychological affect on the enemy when you fire back on them with their own weapons," McCarson said.


Most U.S. soldiers agree the M16 and the M4 — a newer, shorter version of the M16 that has been used by American troops since the 1960s — is better for long distance, precision shooting.


But around Baqouba, troops are finding themselves attacked by assailants hidden deep in date palm groves. Or they are raiding houses, taking on enemies at close-quarters.


Two weeks ago, Sgt. Sam Bailey of Cedar Falls, Iowa, was in a Humvee when a patrol came under rocket-propelled grenade and heavy machine gun fire. It was dark, the road narrow. On one side, there was a mud wall and palms trees, on the other a canal surrounded by tall grass.





Bailey, who couldn't see who was firing, had an AK-47 on his lap and his M4 up front. The choice was simple.

"I put the AK on auto and started spraying," Bailey said.

Some soldiers also say it's easier to get ammo for the AK — they can pick it up on any raid or from any confiscated weapon.

"It's plentiful," said Sgt. Eric Harmon, a tanker who has a full 75-round drum, five 30-round magazines, plus 200-300 rounds in boxes for his AK. He has about 120 rounds for his M16.

Young doesn't carry an AK but has fired one. He's considered banning his troops from carrying AKs, but hasn't yet because "if I take the AK away from some of the soldiers, then they will not have a rifle to carry with them."

Staff Sgt. Michael Perez, a tanker, said he would take anything over his standard issue 9mm pistol when he's out of his tank.

And the AK's durability has impressed him.

"They say you can probably drop this in the water and leave it overnight, pull it out in the morning, put in a magazine and it will work," Perez said.
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ITS CRIMINAL!!!

NOT ENOUGH RIFLES, AND ONLY 120 RDS PER TROOP!!! HEADS NEED TO ROLL!!! AND THAT BROWN NOSING YES MAN ARSE-WIPE COLONEL, NEEDS TO START THINKING OF HIS MEN, THAN GREASING FOR A PROMOTION!!!

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Originally posted by Doglips
"They say you can probably drop this in the water and leave it overnight, pull it out in the morning, put in a magazine and it will work," Perez said.
...and they be right!
 

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Watched a show about the AK-47...a retired Major said they came across a dead gooks shallow grave. He had probably been there around a year they figured. Some some odd reason his AK was burried with him. The Major said he knocked off the clumps of dirt and fired it into the air!:full:
 

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iheard of another story where a guy stored an ak in a locker for over a year then he finaly got around to shoot it it was rusted up solid .well he put his foot on the bolt carrier to push it down and chamdered a round then pulled the trigger and it fired .then he added altttle oil and it was good to go .them ak's are the toughest guns around and the wisest money you will ever spend on a gun purchase.:assult: :assult:
 

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Originally posted by tommy
iheard of another story where a guy stored an ak in a locker for over a year then he finaly got around to shoot it it was rusted up solid .well he put his foot on the bolt carrier to push it down and chamdered a round then pulled the trigger and it fired .then he added altttle oil and it was good to go .them ak's are the toughest guns around and the wisest money you will ever spend on a gun purchase.:assult: :assult:
Yup, seen that one too! :right:
 

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The only "downside" to the AKM/7.62x39 cartridge is that it is designed for "social work." It is too big for small game, and it's too small for big game. I didn't buy mine for hunting, however! When I was but a tad in high school (back in the '80s), one of my goals in life was to own a AK-47 or AKM. I have been an SAR-1 owner for over three years, and I am very satisfied. Thank you, "Gozhpadin" Kalashnikov!

Edit: I managed to misspell "Kalashnikov." Now I am worried that "misspell" is also incorrect. Oh well...
 

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i cant blame em! when i was in service i liked the ak's alot better than the 16's! in my opinion the 16's suck!
 

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Should have stuck with the M-14...could have put on synthetic stocks for jungle use...of course the wooden stocked AK's held up just fine in the jungle!
 

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Whats wrong with our guys using AK's at least their weapon will be reliablle now.
 

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My only problem with this is that the US Milatary does NOT have enough rifles...and appearently ammo ....as Papa G pointed out 120 rounds... (6 mags @30 rounds should be 180 rounds combat load so these guys are running light..and in combat most people carry extra magazines.).......to the point that our troops have to pick up/use AKs because the US MILATARY dont have the $$ for guns and ammo...I mean thats scary!!!! If its a $$ budget thing...one would think tha the US Milatary could afford rifles and ammo for the troops....I mean if your gona cut back on funding stuff rifles and ammo in a combat area seems like something that should get plenty of $$.

As for the AK vs M16 I carried an M16 in Beriut and trainign of course and own an AK....the diffrence is very clear...M16 more accurate but AK is reliable.....its good to 300 yards Ive read and the bullet is 2x heaver and packs more punch.....the 223 is a varmit load....as for urban combat...AK is in its elamit...accurate enough for house to house fighting......and the dings and dents of getting bumped dont bother it.
 

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It's amazing what gets cut when they are looking to cut dollars spent in a WAR - would rather have the AK anywho. Bigger bullet, bigger bang, solid weapon. Don't have to break it down and clean it every night, afternoon and morning. Just keep racking magazines and firing!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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i bet they are slappin thier self in the face for destreying all those weapons and ammo they found and confiscated .they cound have inspected it and handed it out if needed .and it looks like it's needed.:D
 
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