Want a gun-carrying Lefties' opinion on what's going on in our country?

Discussion in 'Political/Religious Topics' started by Dario A., Aug 31, 2020.

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Do you have liberal friends?

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  2. Very few (1 or 2)

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  3. Quite a bit (3 to 6)

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  4. Quite a lot (more than 7)

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  1. Ranger4

    Ranger4 G&G Evangelist

    Actually, the people who claim to know the numbers have reported last week that the number of routine or normal death trends are up over 200,000 people since March 1st, that includes all types of deaths, which would add in all the flu and traditional deaths from cancer and heart disease opioid overdose and all other causes. So there are 189,000 alleged Covid related deaths and a total of 200,000 more than normal causes, that suggests the Covid infection probably pushed these extra people to the point of death.

    The current death rate is something like 8.88 people per thousand. Up from 8.72 last year. But the numbers are always suspect and people are going to believe what they want to believe. I am older and quit smoking when my dad got lung cancer. Back then, everybody thought the government was lying about cigarettes causing cancer and being bad for you and people accused the government of manipulating the medical data. Tobacco companies even came up with studies saying that tobacco was just fine. Smokers would all say that they knew lots of 90 year old smokers and therefore the data was a scam. Now we know different.

    I am thinking this Covid thing may be similar. One thing that screws up any dialog are the politicians who then manipulate the data and the facts for their own political reasons.

    It is what it is. If you know people who get it like the 15 people related to me and then one dies, it changes your perspective. IMHO
     
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  2. PaleHawkDown

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    The problem is that we cannot make a direct link here to the disease itself.

    Isolation, stress, worry, financial hardship, lack of exercise, lack of sun - these things also increase the death rate, and in many places it is still basically a government mandate that people suffer these.

    Throw in; doctors not wanting to see patients for minor things, doctors outright refusing to see patients over the age of 74 in some places, many doctors trying to work through a phone without actually seeing or testing the patients, and "non-essential" procedures being outlawed across the country - including those for remediation, pain alleviation, and preventative procedures.

    Then throw in the fact that without exposure to the outside world, immune systems can become compromised. Then throw in that many people were stuck breathing just the same recycled air with these compromised systems.

    Let's not also forget the near-record number of accident and injury-related deaths from people having too much time on their hands, or the suicide deaths from people suffering from one or more of the issues above.
     
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  3. Jim Bridger

    Jim Bridger G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Many of the forums dedicated to shooting sports have been sabotaged. The leftist interlopers are up to more than verbal interference. :mad:
     
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  4. PaleHawkDown

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    There have been a ton over the last year. It has gotten so bad, I don't even trust under-500-post members who seem to be good, right-thinking guys.
     
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  5. ItstheHOFF

    ItstheHOFF G&G Evangelist

    ...how many do I have?
     
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  6. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor


    Ya.... this is a BOLO type of thing.

    On one hand want to be a friendly and inviting place to people new at this. And have good discussions among friends with different views.

    On the other there are those whose intents are less than honorable.

    Multiple logins from the same IP address and folks who write the same but switch handles become suspect — although some run VPNs.

    My philosophy has usually been one of welcome—and I have no reason to change— but I will shun when that person demonstrates he’s not who he seems to be. We all know rhetoric and propaganda and can usually figure out the debate shifter troll in time. Or after a resurrection from a previous handle.

    Most of the band of ladies and fellers are great people. Hope it stays that way I like it here.
     
  7. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist

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    Things have changed a lot.

    We used to have a lot more goofy, out of control, threads that went completely off the rail in the best ways.

    Now, when they go off the rails, it is usually because some troll ruined a thread.
     
  8. Brother Bob

    Brother Bob G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    I’ve found that arguing with a Liberal is an exercise in futility. Facts don’t matter to them. Now they’re becoming violent if you don’t see their way. Met a man with a new Silverado pickup with an NRA emblem on his back glass and a “Trump 2020” bumper sticker. I became concerned for him and his truck, even though we’re in Oklahoma. If I ever caught someone keying my truck, I’d beat the living hell out of them, if I could! Aluminum baseball bats are plentiful at Walmart! Just thinking out loud.
     
  9. Big Dog

    Big Dog Retired IT Dinosaur Wrangler Forum Contributor

    At least this uneducated OP admitted up front to being a libtard. Most try to sneak in under false colors.
     
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  10. Ranger4

    Ranger4 G&G Evangelist

    You make some excellent points. Most seem to be just common sense that bad things are happening related to the Covid paranoia. But there is almost no way anyone can quantify any Covid caused issues, such as suicide, at least not that I have seen. Last year, long before the Covid thing there was an alarm that suicide was accelerated at a dramatic rate. Think about that. Unemployment rates down, the market making records, gasoline the lowest in years and most indicators of things being good, were well, good. Note this article.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/30/u-s-suicide-
    rate-rose-again-2018-how-can-suicide-prevention-save-lives/4616479002/


    Then notice the trends elsewhere in the world. In England suicide was up in 2019, then there was speculation that the Covid issue would drive them up. But during the peak of the epidemic in England, the second quarter, April-June suicides were down. To try and explain the drop, they said medical reports, and causes of death determinations were probably delayed because of the Covid. What? Makes no sense for suicide to go down during a medical crises and people out of jobs and all the added stress. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19

    The question then, while common sense just tells us that more stress should result in more suicides from the Covid related issues, loss of jobs, loss of freedom, loss of fun things to do, etc, where are the numbers?

    Then there is what I will call the political paranoia. I am far more worried about my loss of freedom from the radical left than I am the virus. My stress level when I watch the riots and such and attacks and murders of cops, goes up dramatically. I read and comment on a couple gun blogs and one veteran's site and I see that lots of people share my anger at the direction the country is taking. I also see thousands of people taking to the streets to protest, to burn and do violence, and to threaten my basic way of life. They are stressed, I am stressed and most people who watch the news at all are stressed.

    My point is, I have not seen any data that I would trust that tie increased levels of suicide to the Covid issue. Or suicide to the political stress we all share. Suicide has been on a rapid and sustained increase for several years, while things have been pretty good for most people. SO, while we think the lock downs would increase them, I see not data at all. I live in a state with no lock downs and there are none in the city where I live, none. The only restriction whatsoever is that you must wear mask if you go into City Hall, nothing required anywhere else. Not one business has been required to shut down or wear masks or do anything other than normal where I live. But we have had 14 family members get ill and one die from Covid. They have zero restriction where the live either. It is what it is.

    Now the other things you mentioned like isolation lack of sun, lack of exercise, etc that is all where you live. Today, I was in the hot sun nearly 3 hours, with my daughter and son in law, we shot nine handguns, six 22 caliber handguns 2 380s, and one 38 super. I took more but the range got full of other people. Every range was full today, shot gun, 200 yard range, pistol range, 100 yard range, all full of people coming to shoot.

    Just got a picture of grand kids at a pep rally or the football game tonight. Dozens of kids in the photo, nobody wears a mask. Just saying it must be where you are at, much of the nation is not affected.

    Seriously if you have any CDC statistics for the first 8 months of the year that show any trends in changes in the causes of deaths or increased deaths or suicides, I would appreciate a link.

    Lastly you mentioned the near record setting number of accidents recently. I have seen no data on that and would appreciate a link. Not trashing your comment at all, just trying to verity these things for myself.
     
  11. Jack Ryan

    Jack Ryan G&G Evangelist

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    The left are liars. I don't believe a word any of them say.
     
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  12. CountryBoy

    CountryBoy G&G Evangelist

    What he (ChaZam) said. And an added bonus is you can hunt with them too. :usa:
     
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  13. reverendg

    reverendg G&G Evangelist

    Wow, I skipped from page 2 to 8, it seemed all too similar. The only thing that really made me think were mentions of social security and Medicare, which seem like must-haves today.
    This is a matter of the “solution” overtaking the problem it was meant to solve. Before these programs, people were able to live and retire without them. They were designed to help the “fall through the cracks” people. Hint...those people will always exist, and will always fall through the cracks, even with full on socialism.
    Once you create these programs, they end up expanding and encompassing more and more. Smart businesses will try and lessen their costs by using what is “free”. To them. Etcetera, etcetera. In the end, these socialist programs really take other people’s money, recycle it, and leave everyone worse off.
    But they are still sold as cure-all’s.
    Of course, on other subjects, you have to wonder why liberals believe everything their pols say, except what they disagree with. They would never take our guns, even though they are forever saying they will and forwarding legislation to get closer to the goal.
    Joe Biden is mentally and criminally unfit for office. Trump, may be abrasive, but he has gotten things done, in the face of the unrelenting opposition. There is no comparison. And Kamala....oops, now we are back to the “take the guns” commentary. And the circle never ends.
    Liberal gun owners are only lying to themselves. They must appreciate lies, their pols never cease with them either.
     
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  14. Jack Ryan

    Jack Ryan G&G Evangelist

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    I doubt I've GOT any liberal friends left.
     
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  15. Liberal/leftists lie to themselves and everyone else, every day. They live in a world of make believe that is spoon-fed to them by the media. The nation 19 years ago was drawn together by the events of 9/11/2001....the powers that be cannot have that. There needs to be division and no other group knows how to divide than leftists...they will tell you there are more than two sexes...they will tell you that you are a hater if you do not buy their bullchit...The election of idiots like the 'squad' does nothing but berate the US and people who do not agree with their twisted agenda. This all did not happen spontaineously, this has been planned and it is going to get worse...Leftists use projection as a tool, they are so unstable that they do not trust themselves with firearms. Therefore, no one but the gov't should own guns...Leftists were dealt a serious blow when their posterchild Beto O'Roark stated...hell yeah we're gonna take your AR15s and your AK47s, too. If any liberal has any sense of what words actually mean, didn't he say he was going to take our guns?! The soy boy that is the OP has never returned to refute any of OUR claims against liberal/leftist... yet he was last seen on 10/16, he said he wanted to talk about liberalism and couldn't hold his own...liberals/leftist are spoiled, angry, and love to play the victim...I choose to not interact with these types, they are a cancer in this nation..
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  16. Brother Bob

    Brother Bob G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    I have made very good money over my lifetime. Between my employer and me, we’ve paid in over $400,000! I’m talking Social Security! If that money would have been invested in the stock market, I’d been a multimillionaire when I retired from AT&T in 2010! I had over $500,000 in my 401k, including my buyout from AT&T. Problem is is that I wasn’t 59.5 years old and when I made withdrawals it was taxed and penalized at a rate of 48%, between federal and state. So if I needed $5,200, it cost me $10,000! I made most of this money in Tennessee. Move back to Oklahoma and there they are with there hand out! $ucks! :(:mad:
     
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