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Instead of starting a new thread, I could go off of this one. My S&W M&P with a 4" barrel, blued, square butt, no model number, has a serial number of C 2XXX. Judging from the numbers listed, it was built in the late 1940s/early 1950s, or am I missing something? It has 4 screws, 3 on the side, 1 near the trigger guard under the ejector housing, and the barrel is pinned. I'll write to S&W about specifics, but it's kind of neat having a revolver that's older than I am. I really don't want to catch old-gunnitus, but I may be up to 3 old guns by the end of the month if that Marlin doesn't sell.

Jim
 
5906 born Date?

If any of you could look this up, I would appreciate it.

S&W 5906 serial #VCH9xxx

Thanks in advance.
 
Hello, I just joined this site and I hope someone can help me. I don't know much about Smith & Wessons, but I have a Model 10-5, Cal. 38 Spl., Serial # C9821xx. I am hoping I can find out a little bit about this revolver. It is in very good condition, except some dummy filed down the front sight, which besides damaging the integrity of the gun, it shoots extremely high. I suspect it was shooting high initially, and someone not knowing what they were doing, did the exact wrong thing and lowered the blade in hopes of lowering the point of impact. I am hoping a gunsmith can fix this for me.
Besides a little info on this revolver, I would also like to know if it is safe to fire +P ammo through it? I keep the gun for home protection and am going to load it with MagTech Guardian Gold +P 125 Gr. JHP if it is safe. Can anyone offer some insight to this nice little revolver?
 
Question about a Smith revolver

Don't know about the internet, but I have a book. I have been pretty successful in finding dates for old Smiths. Tell me the caliber, identifying marks, serial number. Leave out the last couple of digits if you like, but include x's. Like 1234xxx. I need to know how many digits in the serial number to do this right. Top break or swing-out? A picture is very helpful.

By the way, some Smiths have a lot of numbers on them. The serial number is usually on the bottom of the grip frame. You may have to remove the grips to see it.

I don't know how "old" your gun is. Sometimes people think a gun is "old" when it was made in my lifetime. I don't think I'm "old." But if the gun is a swing-out and has a model number on the frame under the crane, include that also.
Question>>>> Hope you are still out there and still have your handy little book. Trying to track some info for a lady here at work. Found an old Smith in good shape among her deceased mothers things. It appears to be pre-model 10 in .38 cal. Serial # is 495028.It is blue,swing out barrel with a 4 inch barrel. There is no model designation. Patents listed as Feb 1906, Sept 1909 and Dec 1914. Also a notation " US Property-GHD.
any clues ??? Thanks, ray
 
Question>>>> Hope you are still out there and still have your handy little book. Trying to track some info for a lady here at work. Found an old Smith in good shape among her deceased mothers things. It appears to be pre-model 10 in .38 cal. Serial # is 495028.It is blue,swing out barrel with a 4 inch barrel. There is no model designation. Patents listed as Feb 1906, Sept 1909 and Dec 1914. Also a notation " US Property-GHD.
any clues ??? Thanks, ray
Well I'm out here and I own the 3rd Edition Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson by Supica and Nahas.

The specimen that you write about is probably a 38 Military & Police Model of 1905 - 4th Change. It was manufactured between 1915 - 1942. Serial numbers are between 241704 and 1000000. Changes from the 3rd Model of 1905 were mainly internal. Starting with serial number 316648 S&W began heat treating the cylinder steel.

However the US Property-GHd is an inspector mark. GHD was for Guy H. Drewery (inspector from 1930-1957). Are you absolutely sure that there is no letter prefix next to the serial number? If not then that particular specimen was one of a handful purchased by the U.S. goverment for some reason before WW2 and the Victory Model.

Doublecheck the serial number. Because the serial number gives it a date of birth in the 1920's. Before Mr. Drewery started working at the plant.

I'm curious and intrigued.
 
Hi, I am hoping you all can help me pin down some information on a pistol I inherited from my uncle when he died.

It is a S&W Model 10 .38.
S/N is: 377351 (no prefix)
# inside is: 93815

Patent dates are 01, 06 and 14 dates.....

I originally thought it was a 1960/70's model, but the more research I have done leads me to believe it is older than that. Is in great shape, but lots of holster wear....and the grip is sweated in. This thing has been carried a LOT by someone!

Any help is appreciated!
 
Go to the S&W FORUM .com, they are mostly collectors of s&w arms knives etc.
they have all of the answers.
Falcon2
 
Just in need of some help

Hey! I was just given a smith and wesson .38 special today and I would love to know some information about it. Here are all the details I can give you about it

-.38 special CTG on the barrel
-Blue finish, wood grips
- adjustable rear sights
- SN K 199XXX

thanks a lot for any information anyone would know about this revolver! I am really excited to own this.
 
Old Smiths

I hope you can help me, I have a Smith & Wesson 38sp great uncle passed it onto my mother in 1962. The number on the grip is 108, Top Break


Don't know about the internet, but I have a book. I have been pretty successful in finding dates for old Smiths. Tell me the caliber, identifying marks, serial number. Leave out the last couple of digits if you like, but include x's. Like 1234xxx. I need to know how many digits in the serial number to do this right. Top break or swing-out? A picture is very helpful.

By the way, some Smiths have a lot of numbers on them. The serial number is usually on the bottom of the grip frame. You may have to remove the grips to see it.

I don't know how "old" your gun is. Sometimes people think a gun is "old" when it was made in my lifetime. I don't think I'm "old." But if the gun is a swing-out and has a model number on the frame under the crane, include that also.
 
Hammerless 32 5 shot , SN 95436

not sure yet.... am looking..... i do know that you can tell what years the model was manufactured..... gives you some larger time bracket, i suppose..... what model is it and in what calibre? .......
ornately engraved with date 12-25-95 "R.A. Stigler" also engraved on same side, original handle grips may have been replaced with Mother of pearl, the the back of the grip frame there is a bar? to buffer the recoil? original cylinder also carved, top break any clue as to age, value and provenance??? I acquired it from wife of R.L.Stigler who was aged 93 at the time, but not mentally competent, now deceased.
 
Dating a Model 36

I recently acquired a Model 36 nickel plated. I have no idea which number is the serial number so I will give all numbers and there locations.

Bottom of the grip-AVV83XX
Inside grip Right side 47XX
Inside grip Left side and yoke-324xx

The barrel is not pinned, the barrel is not heavy, it has fixed sights. It has MOD. 36 on the frame. The grips are wood with gold SW emblems and diamond checkering surrounded by a by a somewhat deep relief cut. The hammer is broken, and I need to know the approximate date to get the right hammer apparently. Thanks.
 
Congrats to both brucegodlesky and vonfatman for having a nice looking piece of S&W history.
 
38 Special Info

Hello,

Looking for any info on a S&W 38 Special CTG; Serial Number: 255XXX (no prefix).
Suspect it may be a mid-50s vintage, but would appreciate it if someone could verify.

Many Thanks!
 
Model 13 Info

I just purchased a S&W Model 13-3 .357 Mag with serial number 9D64XXX and am wondering its date of manufacture. Any info is appreciated since it is my first S&W and I have no history books yet.
Thanks!
 
hello,
I recently came across a 38 special custom ctg revolver and i'm not sure the year it was manufactured...well to be quite honest i don't really know a lot about the gun at all and was wondering if i could get some quick info on it. The gun has engraving on the black metal... the serial is 268K604
 
S&W 5 shor revolver info

I am trying to identify and date this revolver I inherited as few years ago. I have been told it is a "J" frame
It is 38sp 5 shot 1-7/8" bbl round butt.
Butt serial#35274
Barrel # same
Yoke number is kind of strange but is laid out like this:
N
99368
8
On the swing out frame is the number 99368

I read through all the other posts and could not find an answer so maybe one of you experts can enlighten me.
The barrel is not heavy by my estimation, it is pinned, and it is a hand eject. It has three screws on the right side of the frame and one on the front of the trigger guard.
Any help would be appreciated
 
I am trying to identify and date this revolver I inherited as few years ago. I have been told it is a "J" frame
It is 38sp 5 shot 1-7/8" bbl round butt.
Butt serial#35274
Barrel # same
Yoke number is kind of strange but is laid out like this:
N
99368
8
On the swing out frame is the number 99368
I read through all the other posts and could not find an answer so maybe one of you experts can enlighten me.
The barrel is not heavy by my estimation, it is pinned, and it is a hand eject. It has three screws on the right side of the frame and one on the front of the trigger guard.
Any help would be appreciated






Hello Blacksmith
What you have is a Chief's Special. This revolver was introduced at the 1950 annual Chief of Police Meeting in Denver, Colorado. Before this all S&W had to offer in a small frame revolver was a model called a Terrier which was an I-Frame being a small frame revolver chambered in .38 S&W caliber in the 38-32 Frame series, and prior to those they Offered a regulation Police model chambered in .32 S&W Long which later was offered in a Model 30 in the same caliber being a round butt frame and the model 31 that was a square butt frame both chambered in the More mild .32 S&W Long caliber. Many Police agencies had asked S&W for a small frame gun chambered in the .38 Special caliber, so detectives as well as uniform officers could have a back up carry weapon or one for off duty protection purposes so the Factory President Carl Helstrom asked the engineers to develop a small frame gun to handle the Much Hotter .38 Special round and the previous Terrier frame was increased in size to the J-Frame and the Chief Special model was born as a five shot Model chambered in .38 Special caliber.










This brand new Proto-Type revolver was passed around at the 1950 Chief of Police meeting and then they asked all of the Chief's present at that meeting to pick out a name for this model and after the votes were cast on a sheet of paper used for voting Purposes and handed in, the name of this gun by Popular vote was "The Chief's Special" and the name stuck from there on after. The very early ones being 1950 time span had Four side Plate screw's and one in front of the trigger guard making them a Five screw version. In or around 1952 time span the upper side plate screw was dropped and the ones like yours are called the Four screw versions. In or around 1953-1954 the Trigger guard screw was dropped and all guns made after that were called Three screw versions. The very early ones had a round trigger guard and later on they became more of an oval shape. The early ones also had a fine checkering on the top of their hammers which changed to a more course style later and the early ones also had a half moon style front sight blade which later changed to a 1/10" ramp style front sight blade. They came in nickel or Blued finish and were made in Round Butt configuration and later became available in a square butt version.









The stock's were made of walnut with a diamond center on them. In 1957 S&W stamped all their guns with a model number and the model number 36 was chosen for the Chiefs special. They did offer this model with adjustable sights and Known as the Model 50 which are a rare find as most were made with fixed sights and known as the Model 36 or Pre-36. In 1968 was saw the Diamond's that they used in the center of their walnut stock's get dropped so all Post 1968 guns will have Non Diamond stocks on them. The very early Chief models had a standard cylinder release on them, then they changed to a flat latch style which was used up into the Middle 1960's time span, before we saw them return to the standard style cylinder latch again. Later on they offered the chiefs special in stainless and that model was the Model 60 and S&W was the first Gun manufacturer to offer a revolver in stainless steel and later we saw it offered in .357 Magnum caliber on a new designed slightly larger Magnum-J-Frame to handle the more potent .357 Magnum cartridges.







From the serial number you provided I suspect your gun was made around 1952 time span and is what they call a Transitional revolver meaning it was a time when design changes were happening as the upper side plate screw being dropped and later the front trigger guard screw being dropped as well. These Transitional guns are not rare but scarce. The Model 36 that was stamped with it's model number in 1957 in the crane area, is still being produced today after decades of being made it is still one of the most popular carry revolver's to hit the market. I hope this answer's your questions. Regards, Hammerdown
 
Hello Blacksmith
What you have is a Chief's Special. This revolver was introduced at the 1950 annual Chief of Police Meeting in Denver, Colorado. Before this all S&W had to offer in a small frame revolver was a model called a Terrier which was an I-Frame being a small frame revolver chambered in .38 S&W caliber in the 38-32 Frame series, and prior to those they Offered a regulation Police model chambered in .32 S&W Long which later was offered in a Model 30 in the same caliber being a round butt frame and the model 31 that was a square butt frame both chambered in the More mild .32 S&W Long caliber. Many Police agencies had asked S&W for a small frame gun chambered in the .38 Special caliber, so detectives as well as uniform officers could have a back up carry weapon or one for off duty protection purposes so the Factory President Carl Helstrom asked the engineers to develop a small frame gun to handle the Much Hotter .38 Special round and the previous Terrier frame was increased in size to the J-Frame and the Chief Special model was born as a five shot Model chambered in .38 Special caliber.










This brand new Proto-Type revolver was passed around at the 1950 Chief of Police meeting and then they asked all of the Chief's present at that meeting to pick out a name for this model and after the votes were cast on a sheet of paper used for voting Purposes and handed in, the name of this gun by Popular vote was "The Chief's Special" and the name stuck from there on after. The very early ones being 1950 time span had Four side Plate screw's and one in front of the trigger guard making them a Five screw version. In or around 1952 time span the upper side plate screw was dropped and the ones like yours are called the Four screw versions. In or around 1953-1954 the Trigger guard screw was dropped and all guns made after that were called Three screw versions. The very early ones had a round trigger guard and later on they became more of an oval shape. The early ones also had a fine checkering on the top of their hammers which changed to a more course style later and the early ones also had a half moon style front sight blade which later changed to a 1/10" ramp style front sight blade. They came in nickel or Blued finish and were made in Round Butt configuration and later became available in a square butt version.









The stock's were made of walnut with a diamond center on them. In 1957 S&W stamped all their guns with a model number and the model number 36 was chosen for the Chiefs special. They did offer this model with adjustable sights and Known as the Model 50 which are a rare find as most were made with fixed sights and known as the Model 36 or Pre-36. In 1968 was saw the Diamond's that they used in the center of their walnut stock's get dropped so all Post 1968 guns will have Non Diamond stocks on them. The very early Chief models had a standard cylinder release on them, then they changed to a flat latch style which was used up into the Middle 1960's time span, before we saw them return to the standard style cylinder latch again. Later on they offered the chiefs special in stainless and that model was the Model 60 and S&W was the first Gun manufacturer to offer a revolver in stainless steel and later we saw it offered in .357 Magnum caliber on a new designed slightly larger Magnum-J-Frame to handle the more potent .357 Magnum cartridges.







From the serial number you provided I suspect your gun was made around 1952 time span and is what they call a Transitional revolver meaning it was a time when design changes were happening as the upper side plate screw being dropped and later the front trigger guard screw being dropped as well. These Transitional guns are not rare but scarce. The Model 36 that was stamped with it's model number in 1957 in the crane area, is still being produced today after decades of being made it is still one of the most popular carry revolver's to hit the market. I hope this answer's your questions. Regards, Hammerdown
Thank you very much, That was more than I had hoped for as far as an answer. I think I will take very good care of this one as it is in near mint condition.
 
Can anyone help me find the date of manufacture for a S&W 1905 4th change with a serial number: 751XXX? The revolver has a square butt with lanyard ring. Possibly a 5" barrel. Is blued. Weird thing; the grips are of "pearl". Any thoughts?
 
Travis73,

Welcome to the forum! Your Military & Police model of 1905 -4th change was manufactured between 1940 and 1945, more than likely before the war started, as most M & P's became Victory models during the World Wide Conflict. Does it have "U.S" stamped on it as it may be a pre victory Victory. The lanyard ring was added to the pre Vics used during the War.

The M & P 1905 -4th came in 2, 4, 5, and 6 inch barrels. Most factory grips were hard rubber or walnut. The Cylinders were heat treated after serial number 316648. My guess is that your grips are after market 3rd party grips. Send us a Pic. Enjoy -Phil
 
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