Interested to find out what bullet designs you would suggest for an elk hunt. Tops on my list now are Swift Scirocco and Nosler Partition. Your thoughts? Shots should be under 200 yards from a .338 Federal.
Swift Scirocco, Nosler Partition, Barnes TSX or others best for ELK?
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I have seen a few videos where people are hunting wiht the beger bullets. Not sure how risky it actually is using them. The Scirrocco should be compared to the accubond, not the ballistic tip.
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Just because the Scirroco and Accubond have bonded cores and the Ballistic Tip does not ? If that is your basis I have to disagree. They are 3 virtualy identical designs with the Swift and Hornady based on the original Nosler design. Something has to vary to avoid patent infringement and arguably there will be some performance difference.
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The ballistic tip is only a deer bullet. THe others can be used on other animals as they will hold up better.
I agree AK hunter. While I wouldnt buy a ballistic tip specifaclly for black bear hunting, my dad took a deer last year with a 270 Wby with a ballistic tip, and it did enough damage that I would have no reservations at all in shooting a blackie with a NBT.
Thanks, you taught me something and I had thought the opposite, previously.
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You want to see some Barnes failures, go over to my site and look at the photos. Catastrophic failures !
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More detailed info - The Alaska Shooting Forum
A good bullet for most CXP2 class game, such as deer, goats, antelope and sheep, should optimally expand to approximately twice its original diameter and create a wide wound channel that destroys the maximum amount of tissue on its way through the animal's lungs. A bullet that fragments inside the vitals and scatters bits of lead and jacket material all through the animal's heart/lung area will kill quicker than one which creates a long, narrow wound channel through the lungs and exits the far side. But the bullet must not fragment before reaching the vitals, which is why varmint bullets are not suitable for shooting even the smaller species of big game. For light framed CXP2 class animals, a quick expanding bullet that dumps the maximum amount of energy into the heart/lung area usually gives the quickest kills.
The Federal Soft Point; Hornady SST and Interlock; Norma Soft Point, Nosler Ballistic Tip and Solid Base; Remington Bronze Point, AccuTip and Core-Lokt; Sierra Pro-Hunter and Game King; Speer Hot-Core; and Winchester Power Point, Power Point Plus, Silvertip and Ballistic Silvertip bullets all deliver the rapid expansion necessary for quick kills on medium size animals. These bullets are a particularly good choice for a standard velocity rifle, and are suitable for magnum rifles in the heavier weights, particularly at long range. They also kill large CXP3 class game quite well with broadside lung shots, but are less effective if they hit heavy bones or must penetrate the paunch on their way to the vitals.
Nosler ballistic tips are CXP2 bullets, and are not very effective when used on CXP3 sized game.
Bullets that offer good weight retention combined with good expansion are appropriate for both CXP2 and CXP3 class game. The new generation of bonded core bullets such as the Swift Scirocco, Hornady InterBond, Norma Oryx, Remington Core-Lokt Ultra, and Nosler AccuBond are examples of such bullets. The Speer Grand Slam and Mag Tip, along with the Norma Vulkan, are also in this same general category although they lack a bonded core.
Just my opinion, and the alaska shooters forum.
A good bullet for most CXP2 class game, such as deer, goats, antelope and sheep, should optimally expand to approximately twice its original diameter and create a wide wound channel that destroys the maximum amount of tissue on its way through the animal's lungs. A bullet that fragments inside the vitals and scatters bits of lead and jacket material all through the animal's heart/lung area will kill quicker than one which creates a long, narrow wound channel through the lungs and exits the far side. But the bullet must not fragment before reaching the vitals, which is why varmint bullets are not suitable for shooting even the smaller species of big game. For light framed CXP2 class animals, a quick expanding bullet that dumps the maximum amount of energy into the heart/lung area usually gives the quickest kills.
The Federal Soft Point; Hornady SST and Interlock; Norma Soft Point, Nosler Ballistic Tip and Solid Base; Remington Bronze Point, AccuTip and Core-Lokt; Sierra Pro-Hunter and Game King; Speer Hot-Core; and Winchester Power Point, Power Point Plus, Silvertip and Ballistic Silvertip bullets all deliver the rapid expansion necessary for quick kills on medium size animals. These bullets are a particularly good choice for a standard velocity rifle, and are suitable for magnum rifles in the heavier weights, particularly at long range. They also kill large CXP3 class game quite well with broadside lung shots, but are less effective if they hit heavy bones or must penetrate the paunch on their way to the vitals.
Nosler ballistic tips are CXP2 bullets, and are not very effective when used on CXP3 sized game.
Bullets that offer good weight retention combined with good expansion are appropriate for both CXP2 and CXP3 class game. The new generation of bonded core bullets such as the Swift Scirocco, Hornady InterBond, Norma Oryx, Remington Core-Lokt Ultra, and Nosler AccuBond are examples of such bullets. The Speer Grand Slam and Mag Tip, along with the Norma Vulkan, are also in this same general category although they lack a bonded core.
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Well I am not going to dispute Nolser and their products with you after quoting NOSLER to the forum. They put their reputation in writing where their products are concerned. The are world reknowned for their products, like them or not. Talk at NOSLER if you want to dispute their recommendation of their products. I am sure they will be happy to hear your opinion and the opinion of the alaska shooters forum as well.
While I wouldn't make a Ballistic tip my first choice for hunting black bear, I would have enough confidence in it should I choose to shoot a black bear with that bullet.Heck, it may happen this summer when I go on my sheep hunt because I will be carrying B-Tips in my 06' for that hunt.
While I wouldn't make a Ballistic tip my first choice for hunting black bear, I would have enough confidence in it should I choose to shoot a black bear with that bullet.Heck, it may happen this summer when I go on my sheep hunt because I will be carrying B-Tips in my 06' for that hunt.
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Is black bear not pretty much considered to be thin skinned? Any ways i dont want to get into an argument either, my whole point was that the accubond should be compared with the scirocco not the ballistic tip. Even federal and such list the ballistic tip as being good for CXP2 game while the accubond extends into elk sized game.
To Phil Lozano
Sry man but i for one highly disagree with your diss on barnes. Ive used these bullets on game ranging from antalope to elk I have also used the legendary partitian that is untill i recoverd a bullet that had not oppend up in anyway or form and just tumbled its way through an elk. After traking blood for 2 days the bull finaly got sick and bedded down in return i had to put two more 180gr partitians into it. The next year i decided to try barnes TSX in 165gr out of a 30-06 i ended up shooting a bull opening morning and he dropped before my gun went bang. I never was able to recover that bullet but the internal organs of the animal were no more i couldnt find what was the heart lungs or liver it was all just liqufied blood.
After that note i have ben a tru barnes fan since and have never had to look for an animal again all 9 antalope 7 Mule deer and 6 Bull elk have all droped in their tracks.
Sry man but i for one highly disagree with your diss on barnes. Ive used these bullets on game ranging from antalope to elk I have also used the legendary partitian that is untill i recoverd a bullet that had not oppend up in anyway or form and just tumbled its way through an elk. After traking blood for 2 days the bull finaly got sick and bedded down in return i had to put two more 180gr partitians into it. The next year i decided to try barnes TSX in 165gr out of a 30-06 i ended up shooting a bull opening morning and he dropped before my gun went bang. I never was able to recover that bullet but the internal organs of the animal were no more i couldnt find what was the heart lungs or liver it was all just liqufied blood.
After that note i have ben a tru barnes fan since and have never had to look for an animal again all 9 antalope 7 Mule deer and 6 Bull elk have all droped in their tracks.
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Ok, you like Barnes, no problem use them.
However, as I said, have a look at my forum and you will see my experience with them.
When the client called Barnes and they contacted me I sent them photos . . . . . . . . . they had no answers for what they saw.
But as I said, you like em' no problem at all.
I am in on more than hundred animals shot per year. I think (but it is my own opinion), that I have a reasonable opinion of what works and what doesn't.
But hey, you have a different opinion, no problem at all.
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