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#1 ·
Was by my local store the other day and they had MR 3031 powder for sale. Bought 2 one pound jugs for $25.00 each. They also has Alliant powder. I've always used accurate #5, #2, #9 for pistol loads. My friend who I've been teaching reloading bought a 8 Pound jug of Alliant 2000 MR which he used for .223. These Alliant jugs had no numbers following. I'll have to go back and check them a little closer. Is there just Alliant powder by itself for reloading pistol, its marked smokeless pistol powder? I've never used it before.
 
#2 ·
Every bottle of Alliant that I've ever seen has a number or name on it. They make at least 7 different powders for pistol. Here is a link to their web site for handgun powders, maybe you can match it up with something there?
Alliant Powder - Handgun

I like the IMR 3031 for .308 and 5.56 loads.
 
#3 ·
i'd have wiped them out of that 3031 at 25$ a LB.
i really need a Jug of 4064,,, but i'd suffer through with 3031.

Alliant's pistol/shot gun powder doesn't use numbers.
they have names.
bulls-eye, red-dot, unique, power pistol.... etc.
they don't use numbers till 2400 which was originally a rifle powder, and then they use them for rifle powders.
using numbers like MR-2000,3000,4000 is a new thing for them, but still numbers for rifles and names for pistols is how they operate.

Accurate however uses numbers 2-5-7-9 etc. and then names for their ram shot powders that correspond to those numbers.
 
#4 ·
All of the IMR powders have recently been raised to $50 or more per pound. I recently refused to pay $49.99 the other day at Bass Pro. I came home and was able to get some from a dealer in my gun club for $44. I checked multiple places on line, it is a factory increase.. I have 3 bottles of it, but at $25 each, I would have bought 4 more, lol. It is a wonderful powder, I use it in 223, 30-30, 308, 30-06, 300 Wby and 45-70. A lot of people do not know that in 30 cal, it is wonderful with the lightweight bullets, up to 150 grains, but really shines with the 110-130 grain bullets, varmint bullets.

For example, the IMR reloading guide says that 30-31 will send a 110 grain spire point to 3,365 fps. I load them in military cases and drop the powder by 2 grains. They are zippers. If you shoot 30-06 for deer, you will love the little fast bullets, lower recoil and flat enough for coyotes at 300 yards. I have been loading those 110 grain with 30-31 for maybe 40 years, love it. I have also loaded those 100 grain round ball intended for the 30 cal M1 carbine, also a wonderful and flat fast load.


It is a good powder for 30-30 cast also.

Anybody that uses IMR powders and can find it cheap might want to stock upquick before your dealer getsa new batch with the price increase.

Here is the Midway price.
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#5 ·
To answer your question specifically. Alliant has several just for pistol but most of them can also be used for shotgun and some for limited rifle low power loads.

The oldest and best known is Unique and it can be used in practically every pistol caliber made. It is my favorite all time powder.. Except, I cannot find it anywhere, too many people like it. This link shows you all of their pistol powders. Many are just improved versions. For example BE86 is supposed to be an upgraded version of Unigue. If you look it up it shows the calibers they recommend.

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Then you just pick the caliber you want to load like say 38 PlusP and it gives you the recipes:
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Then you can just compare them with the other powders if you like. For example, her is Unique which I have used since 1972. When I look at the two, I see that the 158 grain cast that I loaded with 5.2 grains of Unique is slower that the new BE 86 powder, and they only used 4,6 grains of powder. So, Imay very well start using that one since I cannot find Unique. Les powder and more velocity, sounds good.
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Anyway, you just go down thru each of those powders and click on the caliber you want and compare and pick which looks best. I would not be afraid to try any Alliant powder, they make great stuff.

Lately, I keep reading about people talking about Power Pistol and people really rate it highly, like maybe it is the only pistol powder a person would ever need. I do not know if that is advertising hype or not, but the chart shows they are hotter than just about any other. Here is their 38 Plus P. You will notice that it is indeed faster than the other two. Good luck. Hope this helps.

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#6 ·
works good in the 308 too.

you ,,, well i,, don't have to try for top velocity in stuff.
4064 in the 30-06 pushing a 155gr bullet to 2800 fps. and is plenty enough for point and press deer hunting out to 300yds.
seems slightly anemic to some and a few will say i can get that from my 308.. okay [shrug] go head.
my bullet works how i want it to, and i'm dead on comfortable shooting that rifle.
 
#9 ·
Funny when other people trash your load. One year hunting in Wyoming the stock on my30-06 broke. The one in the picture, I shot and antelope at 343 yards from the sitting position.. I stood up and it shattered. So, I had a spare guna 243, but the only ammo in the truck was some light loads I had made for the kids. Normally I loaded them to 2950 fps, these were about 2,800 fps. Suddenly my second antelope was standing over a ways, so I got close and crawled to within 429 yards. I was angry about the load and my buddy had commented about them, but I took the for a possible coyote, anyway, held a little high and he was down. Good shot and good goat.

This was load my buddy had chastised me about saying I could get another 150 fps with it. turns out, it did not matter.

I don't get excited about that 308 and 30-06 battle, big deal. I have both and like both. The 06 is much more accurate and gets another 150 fps if I want it. If I only had a 308 that would be fine too. I have too many guns anyway. But that 3031 powder works really well with the 100-130 or so grain bullets ,just set up some gallon jugs of water at 200 yards or more and lay that rifle across the hood of the truck, great fun and great training, and perfect for coyotes.
 
#10 ·
The cost of factory hunting ammo in traditional deer calibers is all about $30 a box of $1.50 per round. and not coming down. I use 06 and 257 Weatherby for my deer hunts 99% of the time. Haven't bought any factory 06 ammo in 10-15 years, do not recall the last as I do not use the factory much. When I do it is only the 168 grain Winchester Silvertips, that stuff is magic in my gun, killed at least a dozen big deer with it, all one shot events. My gun shoots that stuff into one hole, while my reloads are all under 1 inch, that ammo is just too good in my gun to change.

The 257 is a different story. I love the round, killed maybe a dozen deer with it now, the gun was a retirement gift, actually Bass Pro Gift card. Botton line Vanguard and it also shoot under 1/2 inch with factory or reloads, does not matter, anybody can shoot dimes size groups with that one. Problem is that Weatherby ammo is $50-$80 a box. Nuts, simple solution. Reload. I also make all my cases from 7mm mag. Just one stroke in the sizing die and poof you have a new case. It is 1/16th shorter than factory ammo but it makes zero difference, I have tested them side by side, no change in velocity or accuracy. Reloads are then 45 cents powder, 9 primer and 30 bullet, or 84 cents or $16.80 a box, certainly better than $50 or more.

I shoot more rifle rounds than most deer hunters just because I like to shoot those guns. I just loaded a pile of 257 ammo with 87 grain bullets at 3,750 fps. Do not plan on shooting many of those for fear of barrel wear but would like to catch some coyotes out at 300 yards or more. The 223 falls off pretty quick after 300. But really they are just for fun.

The 223 is just a practical and fun round. I use 3031 now but hade used H 335 and got great result too. The 45-70 is one I only use 3031 in as well as the 30-30. Just a great powder. So, yea good find for you. $25 is a windfall. lol
A pound of 3031 should load about 250 rounds of 223. Enjoy.
 
#13 ·
Hodgdon now owns Winchester, IMR, Accurate, and Western powders. Alliant and a few smaller producers are the only independent U.S. powder companies. The fact is, don’t expect to see much decline in prices because there are those that will pay the higher price if they need it badly enough.
I think that the powder companies learned from the ammo makers that short supply leads to high demand and higher prices. Have you priced primers lately? They have doubled over the prices of a couple of years ago. Reloading is getting so expensive that it is becoming less attractive to shooters.
 
#17 ·
power pistol is the name of the powder.[bout 60 bajillion loads for it in their new manual]

anyway:
Alliant names their pistol powders.
red-dot,, green-dot, unique, power pistol, herco, blue-dot, BE-86 [bulls-eye-86 is it's proper name] etc,,

and they number their rifle powders.
2400 [originally a rifle powder meant for the 22 hornet, which gave 2400 fps velocity] RL-10-12-15-19 etc.
 
#19 ·
my reloading room/powder & ammo storage room is under my house in an un airconditioned workshop where the heat is usually around 90 degrees with about the same humidity. supposedly the worst conditions for ammo storage. I do store my ammo, primers and powder in G.I. ammo cans. I also have surplus ammo from WWII there. it ALL shoots just fine. I have done chrono tests with my old reloads, some from the '80s, v.s. brand new powder & primers and see NO difference. the only problems I have had was with the old ammo cans that leaked when the Hurricane put 4 ft. of seawater in my downstairs. the ammo & components in the cans that didn't leak are fine. once I had a steel chest packed with ammo in G.I. cans that got lost in the woods after a storm. I found it about 4 months later still filled with seawater. when I opened the ammo cans, they were all 100% dry and looked & shot as good as the day I put them there!
 
#20 ·
I am just amazed every time I hear about ammo survival. Nothing on this planet will last very long . Your flood story reminded me of mine. Our house was inches from the flood waters and things were bad, tornado took out the Direct TV, the local power and all the local cell phones. You have a major tornado and flood event everyone gets on the phone and no one can get out. We had 3 carriers, T Mobile, ATT, and a cheap Tracfone. None could get out for hours. It rained 16 inches in a small area about 5 miles wide and 10 miles long, my house literally in the middle.


We lost lots , fences washed away, everything washed away, water got two foot deep in my detached second garages and so on. The Propane tank floated a ways and water was two feet over our electrical outlets, well head and all of that. When we started looking for stuff and drying things out I did not pay much attention to my reloading supplies and equipment in that second garage, lots of components under water. There were quite a few shotgun shells that I was sure would not fire so I just pulled the shot and shot cup.

About 6 months later, I opened a coffee can that had old shotgun primers in in about 500 I think. They were heavily tarnished, the paper carton shriveled up and you could see where the water slowly evaporated a number of little silt lines around the can. MY guess is that it took a month for that water to evaporate, so I threw them in the trash. When I went to empty the trash I had a thought, just to test them. Darn, they fired just fine, all of them. So, I took them out of the trash and now am loading them in some 410 shells to shoot just for grins. With primers at 10 cents, I am happy to load the old ones. I had no clue that a primer could set underwater for weeks and still work.