looking for an inexpensive desert cammo or reg cammo sniper rifle. Any ideas?
whats a good inexpensive sniper rifle?
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10-fp group from the 1st time i shot it.
i was aiming for that corner of the orange triangle
B.T.W. that is a law enforcement TARGET rifle.:scared1:
The name "SNIPER" came from hunters that went along ponds and marshes and shot the snipe,a fast flying and hard to hit bird about the size of a dove.They shot them with muzzle-loading flintlock shotguns. The longest shot made by a police SWAT team member to stop a perp. was 163yds if memory serves me.No matter what you hear or read about long range sniping hte average shot in combat is under 200yds and the basic training is out to 600yds.There is very little practical use for a shot over 600yds. sam.
Nice shooting Billy,thats better than average wanabee,s do. sam.
Nice shooting Billy,thats better than average wanabee,s do. sam.
Carlos Hathcock killed well over 250 people in Vietnam (93 confirmed) with a Winchester MOdel 70 in 30-06 springfield. How can the caliber used by the sniper legend not be talked about.
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try a mosin/nagant 91/30 with a scout mount and l.e.r. scope. i have read reports of the snipers in ww11 shooting officers at 1200 yds.
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wikipedia:
Some snipe species have been hunted for food and sport since the invention of the shotgun. They can be extremely difficult targets, confounding even very skilled hunters with their erratic flight, their unexpected flushes, their excellent natural camouflage and the treacherous and difficult terrain they typically inhabit.
The elusive nature of the snipe is well-known among hunters. In the days of market hunting, the most skilled hunters of all would often bring many Common Snipe to market earning the nickname "sniper" as a badge of respect for the difficulty in shooting this amazing little bird. The term has evolved into the modern usage sniper, referring to a skilled anti-personnel military sharpshooter. [1]
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Varmint VS Sniper Rifle?
Any rifle that will function as a serious varmint rifle will fill the bill as a sniper rifle. I have two Remington Model 700BDLs in caliber .223 with 10X leupold scopes that hold under one inch at 200 yards with my handloads. I use these for Prairie Dog hunting out to 350 yards. My longer range rifle is a Ruger Varmint in caliber .22-250 with a Redfield 6~18 variable and it does just a well but bucks the wind better out to 500 yards.
Any rifle that can consistently hit prairie dogs out to 200 yards and beyond is going to hit a man sized target at 500 yards and beyond.
Any rifle that will function as a serious varmint rifle will fill the bill as a sniper rifle. I have two Remington Model 700BDLs in caliber .223 with 10X leupold scopes that hold under one inch at 200 yards with my handloads. I use these for Prairie Dog hunting out to 350 yards. My longer range rifle is a Ruger Varmint in caliber .22-250 with a Redfield 6~18 variable and it does just a well but bucks the wind better out to 500 yards.
Any rifle that can consistently hit prairie dogs out to 200 yards and beyond is going to hit a man sized target at 500 yards and beyond.
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im a marine sniper and i have a 303 british and i have made 1000 yard cold bore shots with it just fine and the are cheap
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Hey I read all the post and this is my first post. I read this because I was looking for a inexpensive precision rifle. I own only 1 rifle, a Turkish 8mm mauser 1941. I would like to target practice with a inexpensive scoped rifle, and also hunt of course.
I have thought about mounting a scope on my rifle, but I dislike mine because of the fact the straight bolt would interfer with the scope. Also I was looking more so in a shorter rifle. I have thought of the mosin nagant 91/30, but I do not know if it is a good rifle to scope.
Also how much recoil does a mosin nagant 91/30 have compared to my turk rifle?
I have thought about mounting a scope on my rifle, but I dislike mine because of the fact the straight bolt would interfer with the scope. Also I was looking more so in a shorter rifle. I have thought of the mosin nagant 91/30, but I do not know if it is a good rifle to scope.
Also how much recoil does a mosin nagant 91/30 have compared to my turk rifle?
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We seem to have drifted somewhat off-topic here. Bheiser originally was after a rifle (which he called a sniper rifle) that was accurate at long ranges, for which he would not have to spend a fortune.
I think bigbuddy21 has the right of it. If inexpensive is what bheiser was after, a Moisin Nagant 91/30 chambered for 7.62 x 54R (which he can find in NRA Very Good or better on gunbroker.com, or buy in NRA Excellent from Classic Arms down in North Carolina, for under $100) and kitted out with a scope mount designed to fit it (which can be had from Cheaper Than Dirt for about $45 and includes the bent bolt handle the rifle will require as part of the package), and a 6 or 10-power scope (Cheaper Than Dirt has a couple of decent ones for well under $100), that will meet his not-spend-a-whole-lot-of-money criterion and still get it done for him. He can use the difference in what he's willing to spend for the rifle to buy a couple of cases of 7.62 x 54R from Classic Arms at $200 per 1200 round case and practice his long distance shooting.
So for a total investment of around $650, bheiser could have a modern version of the weapon feared by the German officers on the Ostfront, and enough ammunition to learn how to use it properly even if he's never fired a rifle in his life. I don't think you're going to find a less expensive deal for an accurate rifle than that!
I think bigbuddy21 has the right of it. If inexpensive is what bheiser was after, a Moisin Nagant 91/30 chambered for 7.62 x 54R (which he can find in NRA Very Good or better on gunbroker.com, or buy in NRA Excellent from Classic Arms down in North Carolina, for under $100) and kitted out with a scope mount designed to fit it (which can be had from Cheaper Than Dirt for about $45 and includes the bent bolt handle the rifle will require as part of the package), and a 6 or 10-power scope (Cheaper Than Dirt has a couple of decent ones for well under $100), that will meet his not-spend-a-whole-lot-of-money criterion and still get it done for him. He can use the difference in what he's willing to spend for the rifle to buy a couple of cases of 7.62 x 54R from Classic Arms at $200 per 1200 round case and practice his long distance shooting.
So for a total investment of around $650, bheiser could have a modern version of the weapon feared by the German officers on the Ostfront, and enough ammunition to learn how to use it properly even if he's never fired a rifle in his life. I don't think you're going to find a less expensive deal for an accurate rifle than that!
I'm sure my opinion doesn't count but you may want to think about the Remington SPS 700 for a genuine 'sniper rifle'. This is the weapon the military took to make the ever-recognizable M24 (usually equipped with a Harris bi-pod and a Leupold scope). A good caliber (and also the caliber they used, I think) would be the .308 Winchester and you can pick one of these up for ~$500. Not too bad in my opinion.
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Why did I pick the pseudo I use?
The fictional Cyrano de Bergerac of Edmond Rostand's play, which was brilliantly dramaticized by Jose Ferrer in the 1950 movie (he received the Best Actor Oscar for his performance), is someone to be respected. He does his best to control his temper even when dealing with fools (as a highly educated an intelligent man, he does not suffer them gladly), has no respect for rank and accord respect only where he feels it is deserved, stands staunchly by his friends even when it is politically inexpedient or risky for him to do so, and walks his own way even when the authorities would dearly love to silence him by any means necessary.
He also feels unloved and unlovable most of the time, when to be loved for himself and not his swordsmanship or personal courage is his dearest wish. No one can convince him that there is more to being loved than having a fine physique and a pretty face.
He is almost congenitally incapable of seeing the love and respect others hold for him, particularly the fictional Roxanne. He suffers much unnecessary mental pain in his life because of this; including, as he discovers only as he is dying, the completely self-imposed and unnecessary absence of the love Roxanne would happily and eagerly have showered upon him had he revealed himself as the man with the feelings for her he expresses for the exquisitely handsome but inarticulate, dumb-as-a-post Christian, because he is positive Roxanne could not possibly look on Cyrano as a lover.
The real Cyrano Savinien de Bergerac was a true Renaissance man. He was a writer of good repute; it can be argued he is the father of the science fiction novel. He was a past-master swordsman in an era where that was a highly respected skill; he once took on a mob of 100-plus that was trying to kill a friend of his and routed them, killing 23 opponents in the process. Unlike Rostand's fictional version, however, while the historical Cyrano did have the biggest nose this side of Jimmy Durante he was beloved by his Roxanne and they lived happily together for years.
I know my way around fine steel, write half-well, do not gladly suffer fools (particularly in the matter of our Constitutional rights and the Second Amendment especially), and don't feel especially loved or lovable about 80% of the time. I feel I'm about halfway between the two, probably leaning toward the fictional Cyrano (which has not made my life a happy one). That's why I chose that as my pseudo.
I trust this answers your question.
I chose it for several reasons, Cyrille.
The fictional Cyrano de Bergerac of Edmond Rostand's play, which was brilliantly dramaticized by Jose Ferrer in the 1950 movie (he received the Best Actor Oscar for his performance), is someone to be respected. He does his best to control his temper even when dealing with fools (as a highly educated an intelligent man, he does not suffer them gladly), has no respect for rank and accord respect only where he feels it is deserved, stands staunchly by his friends even when it is politically inexpedient or risky for him to do so, and walks his own way even when the authorities would dearly love to silence him by any means necessary.
He also feels unloved and unlovable most of the time, when to be loved for himself and not his swordsmanship or personal courage is his dearest wish. No one can convince him that there is more to being loved than having a fine physique and a pretty face.
He is almost congenitally incapable of seeing the love and respect others hold for him, particularly the fictional Roxanne. He suffers much unnecessary mental pain in his life because of this; including, as he discovers only as he is dying, the completely self-imposed and unnecessary absence of the love Roxanne would happily and eagerly have showered upon him had he revealed himself as the man with the feelings for her he expresses for the exquisitely handsome but inarticulate, dumb-as-a-post Christian, because he is positive Roxanne could not possibly look on Cyrano as a lover.
The real Cyrano Savinien de Bergerac was a true Renaissance man. He was a writer of good repute; it can be argued he is the father of the science fiction novel. He was a past-master swordsman in an era where that was a highly respected skill; he once took on a mob of 100-plus that was trying to kill a friend of his and routed them, killing 23 opponents in the process. Unlike Rostand's fictional version, however, while the historical Cyrano did have the biggest nose this side of Jimmy Durante he was beloved by his Roxanne and they lived happily together for years.
I know my way around fine steel, write half-well, do not gladly suffer fools (particularly in the matter of our Constitutional rights and the Second Amendment especially), and don't feel especially loved or lovable about 80% of the time. I feel I'm about halfway between the two, probably leaning toward the fictional Cyrano (which has not made my life a happy one). That's why I chose that as my pseudo.
I trust this answers your question.
It do! Cyrano de Bergerac Is one of my heros also, I have read two books by him, "The Other World or States and Empiries of the Moon" and his "States and Empires of the Sun."
When I was into medieval re-enacting, my persona was much like Cyrano although my persona lived in the early 13th century not the 17th. I have two movies based on the Rostand play the one with Jose Ferrer and the later one with Gerard Depardu(SP)?
A tragic hero if ever there was one!
When I was into medieval re-enacting, my persona was much like Cyrano although my persona lived in the early 13th century not the 17th. I have two movies based on the Rostand play the one with Jose Ferrer and the later one with Gerard Depardu(SP)?
A tragic hero if ever there was one!
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they are minute minus of the 3 i have shot with the better ammo. got one that i mounted a scope on that is 1/2 minute. the problem is mounting a scope on one. they are not set up for it. a friend of mine mounted mine by setting it up in the russian style of mounting it on the side.
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Meanness is in the eye of the beholder.
My #1 son was telling me of conversation he had with an injured Army Sniper. (injured in training) The sniper commented that a plain Savage out of the box will do.
1 more vote for Savage.
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