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I’m a big fan of the .300 WM but I don’t do any real long range target shooting and never really used bullets over 180 grains. I have also tried of heavy rifles as grow older.

I’ve had 4 different .300 mags over the years, 1 .300. WBY, 1 .300 WM and 2 .300 WSM’s. 3 of the 4 were M70 Winchesters. My first .300 WSM was a Browning A-Bolt. My current .300 WSM is a Winchester M70 Extreme Weather.

Wanting a long range rifle that can also be carried for hunting, I would consider the Browning X - Bolt Stalker Long Range.
 
If your not in a big rush to buy one I'll let you shoot both of mine when I get them fully kitted out.

Right now neither have scopes and I'm re-evaluating the Leupold 6HD I have for my 700 Milspec 2.

I've been waiting to mention this rifle below until I've actually had experience shooting it.


It's the redheaded stepchild of the CZ family and unfortunately has a bad reputation largely in part to cz-usa's liability worry minded legal department forcibly eliminating the barrel change feature.😑
Not why I bought it however. I'd been looking for something similar to Remington's old "Mountain Rifle" but in a cartridge/stock configuration that was right for me so I found this one basically used like new minus the box and papers.
24" same as my old Rem. Sendero Special. That's hammer forged and threaded.
Stock like all base synthetic ones is nothing much but a little careful glass bedding ought to make the forend area more rigid I'll probably do some similar to what I did with the fiberglass M-14 stocks I reinforced for my M1-A.

But I didn't really want to hijack this thread.

I'm also a fan of the Smith Enterprises muzzle brake.
Love CZ rifles. CZ 550 UHR 300 WM one rifle never part with. Sad, it discontinue now, but CZ website describe:
 
Animalspooker - they still make the Remington 700 Sendero with a stainless fluted barrel...has the 5R rifling. During Kosovo the AF Special Ops teams could have picked any rifle they wanted and they selected the 300WM Sendero as their highly reliable and accurate platform for their missions. Consider adding this to your list as well.
 
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I don't know what I'll do. I forgot about Remington, but would love a Remington Sendero, only I'll need it with a Ruger American price tag. Then ACFixer has to throw a wrench in the plans and tell me about REMARMS who I'd forgot about. I'm assuming that's who's making the Senderos now? I used to have a 700 Police LTR in .308. Loved that gun. Got talked out of it.
 
RemArms LLC is closing their NY rifle manufacturing facility and will only be producing shotguns in NY. They are moving their rifle manufacturing to their Georgia factory in early 2024.
Since things are manufactured on super accurate CNC machines, consistency, tight tolerances, and high quality should be expected.
Regarding price for something you really want vs. what would meet the requirements. We all go through those agonizing drills. In the end you will figure out what will meet your needs.
Best of luck on selecting a new firearm.
 
I love the 300 WM round and would love one of the ones that have been suggested here. I had always wanted a 300 wm and about 7-8 years ago I was shopping at the PX on Ft Lewis, WA and they were having a gun sale. I bought a Remington 783 in 300 WM for under $250. Cheap, crappy stock and lousy scope, but I had my 300 WM. Lol I was planning on putting a new stock on it, however, it will group one inch at 100 yards, with the right ammo, so I kept the same cheap plastic stock and I'm not worried about dinging it up as I walk through the woods and mountains elk hunting. I put a Vortex 3x12 scope on it and it's a perfect hunting gun. It has a thin barrel, so after about 5 rounds you start to get flyers, so no good for long range. I've been craving a better 300 win mag every since I bought this one. Ft Lewis had a Bergara in 300 WM and I almost bought it, a few weeks ago, maybe I need to go back and see if it's still available. Hahaha Just don't tell my wife!!
 
I don't know what I'll do. I forgot about Remington, but would love a Remington Sendero, only I'll need it with a Ruger American price tag. Then ACFixer has to throw a wrench in the plans and tell me about REMARMS who I'd forgot about. I'm assuming that's who's making the Senderos now? I used to have a 700 Police LTR in .308. Loved that gun. Got talked out of it.
C'mon 'Spooker, as the saying goes, "if I had your money I'd burn mine." You're not going to get it for a Ruger entry level price tag, fughettaboutit, but this rifle fits your bill. It's not like you're buying a hooker and a couple grams of blow with the money, you can always recoup it or nearly so if you really need the money back. Reed's always has great prices and they ship cheap ($20) and super fast and being a biz owner you can probably get with them direct and avoid taxes right? This is one heck of a $1,250 rifle. Probably the rifle I would buy if I wanted to get a .300 Win Mag.


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A Ruger American or a Howa or whatever is fine if you just need a great bang-it-up woods gun, they fill that niche nicely, but if you really want to reach out there you're going to need a decent piece of glass and just my opinion, I don't put $1,000 scopes on $350 rifles. Buy yourself something nice and just get your wife a cubic zirconia for Christmas. 🤣
 
Bergara.
they are what remington was trying to make for the last 40 years.
only they are accurate and 2/3rds. the price.

i opted for the 0-6.
I would have already bought a second one but they don't make it in 25-06, and a third if they made it in 257 weatherby.
i'm fine with not having to deal with the 300 mag brass and extra costs associated with it just to gain @100 fps. or so.

heck i barely run my 0-6 to the original military specifications and it does fine on deer out past 300 YDS.
 
Okay, what I was doing earlier today.

CZ 600 in .300 Winchester Magnum
Now the only thing I've done so far has been stuffing epoxy "steel" putty into the Forend to stiffen it.

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Scope is an older vintage Leupold 4.5-14x40mm with an adjustable objective and the previous owner had the tapered target knobs for windage and elevation. 1" tube.

Ammunition, I'm ashamed to say I used the cheapest store brand Bass Pro had. Herter's 180gr hunting ammo. Normally I handload my rifle ammo for rifles like this but I didn't have time.
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Rings are, IIRC Weaver Steel medium height 1" they were a smidge too low so I shimmed the scope up with Gorilla Tape.

Short run down.
Bore sighted and basic zero at 25yds.
Went to 100yd line to obtain a dialed in 100yd zero.
There i didn't do any happy snaps as I was trying to beat the possible rain or whatever was coming.
Then I went over to the 300yd range to see what hold over I needed.
Well I found out somewhere between the 1st and 2nd lower dots gets me close to the center of the target and that's the best I could do under time constraints.
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And remember that old "rule of thumb"?
My knuckle of the thumb is approximately 1" wide.
So extrapolate from there.
 
When a person says they want to shoot long range these days, that makes it hard to know what they want because so many new things called, long range.. A person wanting to shoot long distances will say they want to try 1,000 yard steel or something to that effect. Long range, "shooting" among long range shooters, means hitting steel at 600-1,000 yards. If you sign up for a long range shooting basic course at Whittington for example,
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The basic course is taught with folks using the 308 and 6.5 learning to lob rounds into targets, day one at 100 yards, day two at 600 yards and day 3 at 1,000 yards. That is lobbing rounds for long range shooting. But if you are a serious long range shooter you are not going to use a 300 Win Mag, they just do not have the power, even with 28 inch barrels. For example, here are the records and guns used.

  • Billy Carter: .375 Cheytac. Carter achieved back-to-back confirmed impacts on a 1 MOA Target (36 inch by 36 inches) at 2.07 Miles in a 9 round shooting iteration!
  • George Costello: .338 SnipeTac. Costello achieved one confirmed impact a 2.07 miles.
  • James Elmore: .375 Cheytac. Elmore achieved two confirmed impacts at 2.07 miles in two separate Measured Courses of Fire.
  • Gerald Guzman: .416 Barrett. Guzman achieved two confirmed impacts at 2.07 miles in two separate 5 round Measured Courses of Fire on a 4 MOA Target (12 feet by 10 feet).
  • Bruce Mansur: .375 Cheytac. Mansur achieved one confirmed impact at 2.07 miles in a six round shooting iteration.
  • This is long range shooting. I started going to Whittington about 30 years ago. A 300 Win mag was acceptable then because the Marine Corp used the 300 McMillion Remington in sniper work. But I have not seen one in use for long range shooting in maybe 20 years. The 300 Win Mag, is considered a hunting gun, easy for elk to 350 yards without any need for correction. Example. With the Nosler Accubond loaded at the highest velocity listed by Nosler, you can hold dead onto an elk at 350 yards and have a solid kill shot without fumbling around for a range finder or any guesswork. This is a top end Nosler load, you will not get that velocity with factory ammo.
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Now consider the exact bullet with the 30-06 for comparison. With the recommended 1,500 foot pounds for elk, you can also dead hold on the elk and effect a solid kill at 350 yards and massive power to spare. If you look at the numbers very closely, the drop of the 30-06 is only 2 inches at 350 yards, on a 200 yard shot they hit at exactly the same place, at 275 yards the difference is only 0.4 inches. Point being, at a hunting range of 275 yards, the added recoil of the 300 only makes 4/10 inch difference when the power needed is excess in both.


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So, exactly what are you hunting and what level of flatness do you desire.? If power is the issue, I would move on up. I shoot the 300 Weatherby because it gives me about 100 -150 fps more with my longer barrel, but only for elk.

So, if shooting long range targets, you are going to be shooting lots of rounds. The Weatherby kicks a lot, the 300 Win Mag not so much but not what you want to shoot 100 rounds at a session. So, please define what is meant by long range?

If you are going to hunt with it and carry it, the shorter 22 or 24 inch barrel cuts down on weight but also velocity and trajectory. As far as accuracy related to price. The Weatherby Vanguard or the Howa is by far the best. Ruger American would be close and the Browning Hells Canyon probably near the top of the heap. Nothing wrong with the Savage either. Those are the big sellers and we know they perform well.

TAG did a review of the Howa in 2017. Gun Review: Howa 1500 - The Truth About Guns
Howa 1500 Review - Underrated Bolt-Action - Gun News Daily Some if not all of the Howas come with a 1/2 inch guarantee. Whatever you buy, make sure it comes with an accuracy guarantee. Howas have an adjustable trigger, be sure whatever you buy has one.

Vanguard:Bing Videos Here is a guy shooting the 300 Win Mag in the Vanguard at one mile, took him 5 rounds to hit it. Weatherby's Vanguard: The Company's Most Popular Bolt Action | An Official Journal Of The NRA (americanrifleman.org)
This one in 2005 had a 1.5 inch guarantee. All Vanguard rifles now have a .99 inch guarantee. Whatever you buy since you are planning to shoot distance, get one with an accuracy guarantee. These have an adjustable trigger, be sure to get a rifle with one that is user adjustable.
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Ruger. The Ruger in 300 only comes in camo. It has an adjustable trigger but no accuracy guarantee. Look nice for sure. MSRP $789.

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Savage 100 Hunter Adjustable trigger, NO accuracy guarantee.

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Browning. They claim excellent accuracy and I have seen several. That said, they do not show any accuracy guarantee.

Seems strange they do not offer one.

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Anyway, just some information to aid your quest.
 
What would you buy? The 300wm has always been a wish list item for me. Don't know why exactly other than it's long range and ability to kill anything on the North American continent (not at the same time have you...at least not for me).

Ideally, I'd have one that is efficient at both long range target shooting, but also a (somewhat) easy to carry hunting rifle. I've looked at the Howa, the Bergara, just saw the Ruger FTW Hunter (wow) and a number of others. I don't want a pencil thin sporter barrel, but also don't want a Heavy Palma barrel either. That's another reason I'm asking...some of you here must have barrel profile expertise...I do not.

So what would you look for in a barrel if you wanted to shoot mostly target, but also felt good about taking the gun to hunt? And besides the barrel, what brand would you have your eye on?

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I am not a big fan of full size CZ rifles. I like their carbines in 223 and 7.62 x 39, but not the full size guns so much. That said, here is an add for one at Kentucky Gun Co today for $400. ✅ A fellow would be hard pressed to find a better deal on a 300 Win Mag.


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The only thing I really don't like about the CZ 600 is the trigger.... well I've got a love/hate relationship with it.
The love: I like their 4 setting click adjustments for the trigger pull.
The hate: The lowest setting is a little coarse and draggy. It's a 1.5pounds of not bad but graveled vs. smooth pavement.
If it can be safely disassembled and lapped okay. Currently with everything going on with my, former, house here and moving.
Not going to do it.
Now if someone like Timney were to do a replacement....yeah I'd probably go for it.
But this one is a hunting rifle for me.


And I'll admit that today with different cartridges 600-1000 isn't the end point to long distance shooting.
There's supposed to be a gunsmith and competitor in that sport fairly close to my new property.
So I hope to eventually make his acquaintance.

I've been into different types of what I'd call precision shooting since a young teen.

If someone were interested in it as a total beginner.
I'd suggest this route:
.22lr precision trainer Bergara or CZ. To get the fundamentals down and perfected.

If at all possible as an understudy for a quality bolt action in either .308W or 6.5CM
Brand not specific but I'd strongly recommend getting as close as possible dimensionally stocks and triggers of similar weight and break.

Next step up would be dependant upon what the individual wants to do and available time and money.

Hopefully if I can reach my limits with the .300wm the next thing on the menu will be something in the .338Lapua category.

That will be a 100% custom built rifle when I think it'd be worth the expense.

But I'm not going to push myself so much to take the fun out of it for myself.
 
I’m no expert. I’ve had a few 300’s over the years, but the only one I kept is heavy and set up for 600+ target shooting. The lighter rifles I owned in .300 had muzzle brakes, and I don’t typically have hearing protection when hunting so they didn’t serve my purposes. Loud…

If I were looking at a hunting rifle I would likely go with a threaded barrel Ruger with a plastic stock. I would hang a suppressor on the barrel. My Ruger American rifles have all been extraordinarily accurate. I’m a big fan of Tikka and Sako, but they cost. My sako rifles are among, if not the, most accurate bolt action rifles I own.
 
The only thing I really don't like about the CZ 600 is the trigger.... well I've got a love/hate relationship with it.
The love: I like their 4 setting click adjustments for the trigger pull.
The hate: The lowest setting is a little coarse and draggy. It's a 1.5pounds of not bad but graveled vs. smooth pavement.
If it can be safely disassembled and lapped okay. Currently with everything going on with my, former, house here and moving.
Not going to do it.
Now if someone like Timney were to do a replacement....yeah I'd probably go for it.
But this one is a hunting rifle for me.


And I'll admit that today with different cartridges 600-1000 isn't the end point to long distance shooting.
There's supposed to be a gunsmith and competitor in that sport fairly close to my new property.
So I hope to eventually make his acquaintance.

I've been into different types of what I'd call precision shooting since a young teen.

If someone were interested in it as a total beginner.
I'd suggest this route:
.22lr precision trainer Bergara or CZ. To get the fundamentals down and perfected.

If at all possible as an understudy for a quality bolt action in either .308W or 6.5CM
Brand not specific but I'd strongly recommend getting as close as possible dimensionally stocks and triggers of similar weight and break.

Next step up would be dependant upon what the individual wants to do and available time and money.

Hopefully if I can reach my limits with the .300wm the next thing on the menu will be something in the .338Lapua category.

That will be a 100% custom built rifle when I think it'd be worth the expense.

But I'm not going to push myself so much to take the fun out of it for myself.
Not sure why we are discussing trainers on this thread but, be that as it may, I train a lot of folks and own a lot of training rifles, hence my 2 cents.


As to trainers. I bought a Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22 mag a couple years ago. It shoots under 1/2 inch moa, many groups around 0.3 moa. They are about $450 and well worth the money. I shot it suppressed most of the time. I chose the 22 Mag over the 22 simply because I might want to call a coyotes, the WMR gives me the ability to take shots on coyotes out to 175-200 yards if I want. As accurate as the gun is, you could shoot at eyeballs.

As a trainer for slow precision shooting, no one is offering a gun that accurate at that price. I also have the 17 HMR and 17 WSM by Savage that shoot 1/2 inch groups, but ammo is never guaranteed and costly, the 22 mag is always around and 27-28 cents per round for CCI recently.

Ruger is made in America of course the others are made in Spain and the Czech Republic. Personally I will buy a Ruger over the imports every time. In the rimfires however, it is an EZ choice, the little Ruger will shoot circles around the imports in the rimfire category. Ruger has totally changed the game with their small actions in these and the American Series. Their production guns are now equal to the target guns of yesteryear. Modern manufacturing has scored big hits, lucky for shooters.

Bergara was the barrel maker of choice for decades. If you bought a Contender, you immediately added calibers and the barrels were from Bergara. But all that has changed. Every off the shelf rifle you buy these days, including ARs will shoot 1 inch or less groups. As an instructor on the ranges, I started being totally shocked about 8-10 years ago when all these cheap ($600) ARs started showing up on the ranges shooting 1 inch groups, with that cheap steel cased Russan ammo. Totally destroyed what we knew about accuracy since the days of Jack O'Conner when only accurate rifles were interesting. Now, they all do that.

So when the OP says he wants a 300 Win Mag or others suggest they are building one, I simply expect them to be 1 moa guns from day one. Lucky us. Think about how many rifles you own and how many on a still day with a Led Sled or solid rest will make that magic 1 inch. My guess is most of the guns we already own will do that, except for the lever actions or guns with Mannlicher stocks or guns not free floated or bedded, most all others should do that.

Just my opinion based on my guns and those that I train.


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Just as a point of reference, here is the lead review of the Ruger Precision Rimfire 22 mag that I bought, I only printed a couple comments, but you get the idea and the link is there for the others. If you just enjoy shooting one whole groups or have a kid to train, this will give them confidence like nothing else.

9 Reviews. 5 out of 5 Stars!


Michael G on 06/27/2023
Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!
Some of my pals in the gun club I belong to are very involved with .22 benchrest competition. I have a Henry lever gun scoped that I thought might work to get involved in that. I worked with it for a time and determined it was not likely that was going to happen. In looking around for an entry level gun to do that I came upon the Ruger .22 precision rifle. I'm not a big fan of Ruger as the last two I have owned ended up going down the road as defective but .. third time is a charm right? So I bought a Ruger .22 precision rifle. I have not had it long only a few weeks. Prior to it's arrival I attended the club's .22 benchrest match. My word ... competing at that level for me seems like it will be unlikely. None the less I remain undaunted. I scoped the Ruger, messed around with ammo and am sorting out what kind of rest etc. will work for me. The Ruger has been well behaved thus far, no problems of any kind and is pretty darn accurate. I can shoot consistant 10 round groups in a 1 x 1 inch box at 50 yards ... if it's not too darn windy. When the wind it up .. those groups are pretty loose. So it's an exercise in sorting out mechanical things, increasing my personal skill and finding out what works for me. I guess like most things we all have different quirks so what works for one may not work for another. Presently I'm using Eley Club ammunition and the Ruger seems to like it pretty well and shoot consistently with it. The Ruger precision rifle seems well made and well thought out. Fit and finish is nice. So far I have not had any difficulty whatsoever with it. I love that the stock and comb are super adjustable and easy to manage. Even if I ended up just shooting it for fun in the end that would be fine because it's great fun to shoot. My only negative is I shoot rifles left handed and a left handed bolt is not available for this rifle. Most of us leftys have grown up in this right handed world and learned to cope and modify our way of doing things sooo .. that for that. It's not a huge problem but I would have preferred a left handed bolt given that opportunity. I'm content owning this Ruger and enjoying it. I especially like feeding it .22 ammo rather than feeding my pistols that cost a "bunch" more money to take to the range. I had forgotten just how much fun .22's are. A blast from the past. I would rate this rifle at five stars because it behaves well, it's economical to shoot, it seems well made to me and has worked like a charm.

Maribell R on 02/03/2020
Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!
I’ve been shooting this rifle for six months now I’ve put around three thousand rounds shooting squirrels and targets. I’ve shot everything from cci match ammo to gold bucket ammo and I’ve been extremely happy. My gun is outfitted with a leupold vx freedom rimfire scope, low rings, sunshade and bubble level with a canting utg bipod. Most of my shooting is at long range with cci standard velocity. Zero at fifty yards with federal gold medal match 40 grain you can expect two quarter inch groups easily with them, well taken shots stacking them in the same hole. With cci standard velocity you can max out the scope at 450 yards and with some Kentucky windage out to 500. This gun out in the corn field shooting trailer rims will hit repeatedly at 300 yards. I think this is a safe purchase for anyone looking for a cheap way to target practice or hunt small game.


Randy I on 08/26/2019
Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!
1st day at the range it was shooting one hole 5 shot groups at 25 yards with a inexpensive scope and bulk ammo will go to 50 yards next range trip
Ruger Precision 22 Long Rifle Bolt Action Rifle | 8401 | Blue/Black, 18" Barrel, 10+1 Rounds, Synthetic, Adjustable Stock - Buds Gun Shop



Both the CZ 22 trainer and the Bergara trainer receives good reviews also, just not very many of them, I suppose because fewer people buy them because the cost 2-3 times more.

FWIW
 
What would you buy? The 300wm has always been a wish list item for me. Don't know why exactly other than it's long range and ability to kill anything on the North American continent (not at the same time have you...at least not for me).
Animalspooker, here's a photo for your review. Please note the firearm appears to be a long action, the bullets do appear to be 30 cal and bigger than 30-06. There is also a woman holding the firearm. So, she has what you want. Have you decided on what you're going to get...all of us want to know.
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