[austinjoe13]

Magnum Research BFR in 30-30, 444, or 45/70 with appropriate lever gun 👍🏻

 

[Ranger4]

Once again many of us think alike. Mine are/were like this:

HANDGUN LONG GUN

Glock 19 Keltec Sub 2000 takes Glock 19mags 9mm

SW 19, 60, 66, and Marlin 1894 357/38
Ruger Blackhawk Rossi 92

Colt 1911, Ruger, Rossi 92 these wheel guns fire both 45 colt
Uberti, SW 45 acp and 45 Colt

SW M and P 22 mag Ruger Precision
Ruger SIngle Six Hentry Golden Boy 22 Mag

SW Model 915 Marlin Camp Carbine (formerly) 9mm
These took the same 9mm magazines


When we travel, I EDC the Glock 43 goes in the pocket, the Glock 19 goes in the console and the KelTec Sub 2000 going in it's own small backpack in the backseat, along with spare mags.

If we are camping the 357s handgun and carbine may go along, several of them, all using the same ammo.

The 22 mag combos are just for fun. And of course I have 22lr combos, most that I shoot suppressed, they go along a lot.


So, I like them too Barry.

Oh yes, one more.

HANDGUN LONG GUN

SW Governor Marlin 1895, RIA lever action, Mossberg pump, 410 Shotgun
H and R single shot and Stephens, side by side

And yes, I have two lever action 410 shotguns, both excellent tools. Suitable for deer at bow range, 40-50 yards.

 

[Cyrano]

I had to go a long way down the thread before coming across the .30 Carbine pairings. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who remembered them.

But there is another pairing which, although it would require a little paperwork with the BATFE, would certainly give you serious striking power: A TT-33 Tokarev pistol (I recommend the Yugoslav Model 57. but any of the Toks would do), and the PPSH-43C, the semi-auto-only "pistol" with the folding stock welded shut. You would have to fill out the paperwork to get your 43C reclassified as a short-barreled rifle. This would enable you to cut the weld so the stock can be unfolded and used as a longarm. The Tokarev's 90 grain bullet is powerful enough to kill a horse at 25 meters with one shot, and in the PPSH-43C can repeat the action at 100 meters, which means it can take down deer and similar animals. Or two-legged rats.

 

[PaleHawkDown]

I had to go a long way down the thread before coming across the .30 Carbine pairings. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who remembered them.

But there is another pairing which, although it would require a little paperwork with the BATFE, would certainly give you serious striking power: A TT-33 Tokarev pistol (I recommend the Yugoslav Model 57. but any of the Toks would do), and the PPSH-43C, the semi-auto-only "pistol" with the folding stock welded shut. You would have to fill out the paperwork to get your 43C reclassified as a short-barreled rifle. This would enable you to cut the weld so the stock can be unfolded and used as a longarm. The Tokarev's 90 grain bullet is powerful enough to kill a horse at 25 meters with one shot, and in the PPSH-43C can repeat the action at 100 meters, which means it can take down deer and similar animals. Or two-legged rats.

I wonder why Pioneer Arms, the importer of the PPSH semi-auto pistol doesn't offer a "legal" rifle barrel version. You used to see it a lot on similar guns. Sure it would look dopey, but a Tokarev carbine has always intrigued me.

 

[BarryHalls]

I wonder why Pioneer Arms, the importer of the PPSH semi-auto pistol doesn't offer a "legal" rifle barrel version. You used to see it a lot on similar guns. Sure it would look dopey, but a Tokarev carbine has always intrigued me.

It's 922R. Semi auto rifles have to have so many US made components. It would be much much more expensive to make US parts for them and install them vs just welding them up.

 

[Outpost75]

Any boltgun with small bolt face for .223 Rem. or .222 can be easily converted to 7.62x25

Remington 722 is threaded for can. Barrel is common .300x.308 in 4-groove Government form 1 in 10" twist. The 7.62x39 chamber has same throat as .30-'06 so that 176-grain cal. .30 Ball M1, M72/M118 Match or AP M2 pulls can be seated to normal depth and are subsonic with a case full of 4895, getting 2- inch groups at 100 yards. Ordinary commercial 7.62x25 Ball shoots X-ring ten-shot groups at 50 yards with simple iron sights. The Combloc milsurp ammo gets 2000+ fps from a 20-inch barrel, but is less accurate grouping 3-4" at 100 yards, but that is still better than expected from a typical US M1 carbine during GI Ball ammo.

 

[PaleHawkDown]

It's 922R. Semi auto rifles have to have so many US made components. It would be much much more expensive to make US parts for them and install them vs just welding them up.

Forgot about that.
922r has well outlived its "usefulness". If I remember correctly, the firearms industry lobbied for it to keep from having to compete with cheap imports. Now, outside of the "black guns", the industry is now dominated by foreign guns and companies, and largely modeled around skirting this issue as tightly as possible. Bushypoo the Elder did it as an executive order to help out his buddies, at the expense of the rest of us.

On top of that, ATF uses a brooooaaaad interpretation of, "it unlawful to assemble from imported parts a semiautomatic rifle that is otherwise not importable," because, in cases such as this, you would be inventing a new rifle BASED off of an existing pistol - which you are otherwise allowed to do, as long as it doesn't fall under the definition of SBR. Can I lawfully make a pistol into a rifle without registering that firearm? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

If elected, day one as president I would wipe out every executive order of every past president and let the dominoes fall, for ill or for good.

 

[BarryHalls]

Forgot about that.
922r has well outlived its "usefulness". If I remember correctly, the firearms industry lobbied for it to keep from having to compete with cheap imports. Now, outside of the "black guns", the industry is now dominated by foreign guns and companies, and largely modeled around skirting this issue as tightly as possible. Bushypoo the Elder did it as an executive order to help out his buddies, at the expense of the rest of us.

On top of that, ATF uses a brooooaaaad interpretation of, "it unlawful to assemble from imported parts a semiautomatic rifle that is otherwise not importable," because, in cases such as this, you would be inventing a new rifle BASED off of an existing pistol - which you are otherwise allowed to do, as long as it doesn't fall under the definition of SBR. Can I lawfully make a pistol into a rifle without registering that firearm? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

If elected, day one as president I would wipe out every executive order of every past president and let the dominoes fall, for ill or for good.

Sounds like something begging for a Chevron Deferrence review.

 

[BarryHalls]

Any boltgun with small bolt face for .223 Rem. or .222 can be easily converted to 7.62x25
View attachment 207619
Remington 722 is threaded for can. 176-grain Ball M1, M72/M118 Match or AP M2 pulls are subsonic with a case full of 4895. Ordinary 7.62x25 Ball shoots X-ring ten-shot groups at 50 yards with simple iron sights with ballistics similar to .30 M1 Carbine.
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I am strangely aroused. . .

I LOVE all the odd caliber and platform combinations Ruger did.

 

[Ranger4]

Any boltgun with small bolt face for .223 Rem. or .222 can be easily converted to 7.62x25
View attachment 207619
Remington 722 is threaded for can. Barrel is common .300x.308 in 4-groove Government form 1 in 10" twist. The 7.62x39 chamber has same throat as .30-'06 so that 176-grain cal. .30 Ball M1, M72/M118 Match or AP M2 pulls can be seated to normal depth and are subsonic with a case full of 4895, getting 2- inch groups at 100 yards. Ordinary commercial 7.62x25 Ball shoots X-ring ten-shot groups at 50 yards with simple iron sights. The Combloc milsurp ammo gets 2000+ fps from a 20-inch barrel, but is less accurate grouping 3-4" at 100 yards, but that is still better than expected from a typical US M1 carbine during GI Ball ammo.
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Excellent post, thanks for posting. i have thought about building one, back when ammo was dirt cheap. My buddy was buying cases of that ammo for like $125 for a case of 2,880 rounds, crazy cheap back in the 1980s/

1800-2000 fps with that 93 grain bullet should be an excellent thumper out to maybe 150 yards. I also load the 300 BLK with the 30 carbine bullets about that speed and they are excellent.

Darn good shooting for that peep sight. Cool gun you built there. Congrats.

 

[Cyrano]

I wonder why Pioneer Arms, the importer of the PPSH semi-auto pistol doesn't offer a "legal" rifle barrel version. You used to see it a lot on similar guns. Sure it would look dopey, but a Tokarev carbine has always intrigued me.

Pioneer didn't offer it in rifle form because the original PPSH-43 had a 13 inch barrel, three inches short of the ATF minimum. I suppose Pioneer could have done what Bricklee Trading did with the so-called "Israeli AR-7 pilot's survival rifle" and permanently welded a 3 inch long compensator onto the muzzle, but they didn't, because the idea was to sell them as semi-auto pistols. The alternative would have been to make 16 or 16 1/2 inch long barrels and change out the issue barrels, which would have gotten the 43Cs past the Bunch of Absolute, Total, Fuckwits Extraordinary; but it would have at least doubled the unit price on them.

From the sellers' point of view, if a buyer wants the PPSH-43C to be more like the original PPSH-43 it is easier for them to pay for permission to reclassify the 43C as a Short Barreled Rifle, get the necessary tax stamp for such classification, and then cut the weld which prevents the folding stock from being unfolded to make it a proper shoulder weapon. I don't recall what the fee for this is, but it's not expensive. The only caveat is wait until you have the tax stamp in hand before you restore the folding stock to operability.

As I said before, a PPSH-43C reclassified as a Short Barreled Rifle, plus either a TT-33 Tokarev or a CZ-52 pistol (sometimes called "The Man From U.N.C.L.E. Gun," because all the U.N.C.L.E. agents except Napoleon Solo, Illya Kuryakin, and Alexander Waverly carried them) as a sidearm, is a potent pairing. How potent? Well, ncnascarlady explained to a clerk in a sporting goods store once the reason she had one was if he was a bad guy, and she had to shoot him right then and there, the 90 grain bullet would pass through him, the hollow steel door behind him, and the Zen bad guy partner standing behind the hollow steel door. That's good enough for most purposes.

 

[Jim Bridger]

It seems firearms and ammunitions continue to be marketed like any stock? The more the advertisements' can pursue sales of arms and ammunitions the more wealth is created ?

 

[jkhgfy]

I do tend to go the one cartridge for both guns route.

When I'm on one of my morning walks,,,
If I do spot a bunny and it's close enough to me,,,
I'll try to make the shot with the handgun to test my skill.

But I see your point as well,,,
There isn't any rule about pairings,,,
It's all about what makes sense and pleases you

 

[PaleHawkDown]

Pioneer didn't offer it in rifle form because the original PPSH-43 had a 13 inch barrel, three inches short of the ATF minimum. I suppose Pioneer could have done what Bricklee Trading did with the so-called "Israeli AR-7 pilot's survival rifle" and permanently welded a 3 inch long compensator onto the muzzle, but they didn't, because the idea was to sell them as semi-auto pistols. The alternative would have been to make 16 or 16 1/2 inch long barrels and change out the issue barrels, which would have gotten the 43Cs past the Bunch of Absolute, Total, Fuckwits Extraordinary; but it would have at least doubled the unit price on them.

From the sellers' point of view, if a buyer wants the PPSH-43C to be more like the original PPSH-43 it is easier for them to pay for permission to reclassify the 43C as a Short Barreled Rifle, get the necessary tax stamp for such classification, and then cut the weld which prevents the folding stock from being unfolded to make it a proper shoulder weapon. I don't recall what the fee for this is, but it's not expensive. The only caveat is wait until you have the tax stamp in hand before you restore the folding stock to operability.

As I said before, a PPSH-43C reclassified as a Short Barreled Rifle, plus either a TT-33 Tokarev or a CZ-52 pistol (sometimes called "The Man From U.N.C.L.E. Gun," because all the U.N.C.L.E. agents except Napoleon Solo, Illya Kuryakin, and Alexander Waverly carried them) as a sidearm, is a potent pairing. How potent? Well, ncnascarlady explained to a clerk in a sporting goods store once the reason she had one was if he was a bad guy, and she had to shoot him right then and there, the 90 grain bullet would pass through him, the hollow steel door behind him, and the Zen bad guy partner standing behind the hollow steel door. That's good enough for most purposes.

Some of the old import/kit MP-40s had rifle length barrels, and I have a vague recollection of someone selling a PPSH "rifles" in 9mm from the pages of Firearms News in the 90s.

 

[neophyte]

PaleHawkDown: Sir; my curiosity 😁 I know nothing 😜

http://www.medalnet.net/mpforty/mpforty_models.htm

MP40
Characteristics

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Caliber	9x19 mm Para
Weight	4.03 kg empty
Length (stock closed/open)	630/833 mm
Barrel Length	250 mm
Rate of Fire	500 rounds per minute
Magazine Capacity	32 rounds
Effective Range	ca. 100 meters

MP40/1
The MP40/I experimented with two - side by side 32-round magazines and was tested in 1942. The Magazines were able to slide horizontally to use the additional magazine when the first one became depleted. This design was intended to counter the superior firepower of the Soviet PPSh-41. This design however made the weapon heavy and unbalanced in the field, and did not work well. The 1943 production of the PPSh-41 reverted from a 71 round drum magazine to a 35 round box

 

[cjleete]

The same cartrige rifle/handgun combo is perfect for a survival format. I have 3 combos.
AR-7 and Ruger wrangler
Sub-2000 and Glock 19
Marlin 44mag carbine and Ruger Superblackhawk
Neat thing about the Sub-2000 and the Glock 19, they not only use the same ammo, they use the same magazine!

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[drmass1]

The same cartrige rifle/handgun combo is perfect for a survival format. I have 3 combos.
AR-7 and Ruger wrangler
Sub-2000 and Glock 19
Marlin 44mag carbine and Ruger Superblackhawk
Neat thing about the Sub-2000 and the Glock 19, they not only use the same ammo, they use the same magazine!

Marlin 1894 .44 mag carbine, Ruger Super Redhawk .44 mag, stainless.

 

[animalspooker]

Mines a Marlin 1894 accompanied by a Ruger 'Old' Vaquero.

 

[animalspooker]

Magnum Research BFR in 30-30, 444, or 45/70 with appropriate lever gun 👍🏻

No, no and no! Those could ruin my sex life…or lack thereof, however you want to look at it.

 

[animalspooker]

What? I don't know if this site can handle another 'leete'