I have several rifle/handgun combos;
Heritage 22 lr/Rossi Gallery pump, Henry lever

Heritage 22wm/Henry Golden Boy

Several 357 pistols/Rossi R92 Lever

Several 44 magnum/Marlin 1894 lever

Glock 19x/Kel-Tec Sub 2000/ they take the same mags

I love the idea of having the same ammo for both handgun and rifle.

 

My latest is 9mm single shot by John Taylor, 16-1/2" barrel, 4-1/4 pounds. M1 carbine rear sight, M14 front sight. Threaded for suppressor. Accompanies any 9mm handgun.

 

Didn't know this existed. I love this place!!!

 

I have a serious affection for this kind of symmetry. I love how compact and lightweight pistol caliber carbines are. Unfortunately, over and over again I find that I want a wider gap between what the two firearms are capable of. Generally I want the handgun for 0-25 yards and the rifle from 25-300, give or take, and to cover anything I might come across. This usually requires some combination of a pistol caliber and an intermediate caliber, perhaps with a 22 added for pot meat.

HOWEVER, I have conceded to the advantages of the weight reduction of going with a single pistol caliber cartridge, or a rimmed caliber combo like 38/357. Revolvers are particularly good for opening up your operating range by changing ammo. I keep looking at what I can do with autos by getting something from Rowland, but then of course it won't operate with standard ammo and if I mix up the practically indistinguishable ammunition it could be catastrophic.

Magnum revolvers do not suffer from such a limitation. I see no reason why a standard 38 or 44 SPL FMJ or other cheapy load or powder puff hand load wouldn't work for squirrels or rabbits if you were going hungry, and of course the wheel gun won't hiccup with rat shot for even smaller rodents. Of course when needed these same weapons and their lever gun counterparts can fire loads capable for bear or Whitetail at close to short ranges.

For survival in the 44 and 41 are extremely attractive and and the 357 is certainly no slouch. With rifles from Rossi (Puma), and Henry being fairly light and capable it's worth considering. A proficient hand loader or carefully selected premium/custom ammo could reduce the need for rimfire or intermediate calibers and cover all the necessary bases for a given patch of country.

Similarly, as discussed here in the Survival Gear section, I have built my get home weapon around my EDC handgun with accoutrements to squeeze out a little more capability. This was motivated by an effort to save weight and reduce any need to leave the weapon unattended as I move through a 21st century landscape.

 

One of my favorite topics. I too have several combos and am always looking to add more....

44 Mag
357 Mag
.22 LR
9mm
5.7x28 (how many has that one?)
45LC.....

And currently chasing .41 Rem Mag

 

For survival in the 44 and 41 are extremely attractive and and the 357 is certainly no slouch. With rifles from Rossi (Puma), and Henry being fairly light and capable it's worth considering. A proficient hand loader or carefully selected premium/custom ammo could reduce the need for rimfire or intermediate calibers and cover all the necessary bases for a given patch of country.

How dare you leave out Marlin? Actually I'm glad you did, more for me!!!

Similarly, as discussed here in the Survival Gear section, I have built my get home weapon around my EDC handgun with accoutrements to squeeze out a little more capability. This was motivated by an effort to save weight and reduce any need to leave the weapon unattended as I move through a 21st century landscape.

Speaking of bugout, it don't get much better than this combo.....

 

How dare you leave out Marlin? Actually I'm glad did, more for me!!!



Speaking of bugout, it don't get much better than this combo.....
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That's kinda sexy. The 5.7 and the 22 mag handgun and rifle combos out there are interesting for certain situations. The power abd capacity for the size and weight are very attractive. I do have concerns about critters over 100 lbs, BUT famously in my area Fish and Game does whitetail studies with suppressed 22 mags. FMJ to the brainpan, and they can drive up to the corn pile and throw it in the back.

Given the capacity, velocity, trajectory, controllability, and rate of fire, a smart fella could make it work for more than varmints.


EDIT: I left out Marlin, as much as I like them, because I haven't seen a Marlin in magnum pistol caliber in 10 years, but the Henry and Rossi ones walk by me from time to time.

 

There are only two "combos" of this sort that I can really see being worth it for the reason @BarryHalls mentioned - the small gap in performance between rifle and revolver, ballistically.

The first is the old 32-20.* The original BP load out of a handgun gets you around 800-900 FPS, depending on the rifle (and the quality of the powder), this same load gets you around 1500 FPS. That seems anemic by today's standards, but the result is a 30-30-ish-100 yard round that can be fired from both platforms.
With modern guns in 32-20 capable of handling modern smokeless charges and modern bullets, you can get sub-Tokarev-like ballistics out of the revolver (1200-1500 fps) and around 2100 fps out of the rifles - that's within shouting distance of the 7mm Mauser Mark.
The round has proven they can take deer, as well as gangsters.

The second is .357 Mag. This doesn't have quite the range gap, but with the right combo you have all sorts of options. 38 Colt, 38 SPL, 357 Mag, all sorts of bullet types. And it is a great 30-30 alternative with LeverRevolution bullets.

Honorable mention to .44 Mag and 44-40, 9mm, 9mm Largo and 38-40 - but none of them have the versatility of the two I mentioned. Also, If I win the lottery I will own a C96 carbine in 7.63.



*Historic rifles in this caliber are very picky eaters. There was no standard on where the neck-down was, the angle of it, or whether it was a sharp neck-down or gradual taper, so many of the early rifles were made to use only 32-20s made by a certain factory - with Winchester and Remington being the most guilty.

 

As Barry discussed...even as fast as the 5.7 is moving, it will still take a brain shot or lots of other shots followed by lots of trailing. At least for 4 legged critters.

On the other hand, one shot to me, anywhere, and I'm curling up in the fetal position and crying like a baby...even if it hits me in the pinky toe!

 

As Barry discussed...even as fast as the 5.7 is moving, it will still take a brain shot or lots of other shots followed by lots of trailing. At least for 4 legged critters.

On the other hand, one shot to me, anywhere, and I'm curling up in the fetal position and crying like a baby...even if it hits me in the pinky toe!

I am not prepared to trade in my 45, but there are some pretty interesting varmint loads out there for the 5.7 that seem a little weak on the energy side, but the cavitation and hydrostatic shock lead me to believe that any two legged snake would have a hard time biting back, especially when considering a 16" barrel.


EDIT:

Exhibit A

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/speer-gold-dot-5-7-x-28-ammo-test/

Keep in mind these are moving at 1800fps out of a handgun at self defense distances. That's enough to cause severe damage to surrounding soft tissues to my satisfaction.

 

A Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine paired with the GI carbine is an option I once used, but the single-shot "Bunny Gun" is more accurate in that caliber than the US carbine. I sold the M1 carbine and had John make a .30 Carbine barrel to fit the H&R Garden Gun frame with a rim seat so that it could alternately use .32-20 ammo as does my Ruger revolver. Similar configuration as my 9mm setup, but with 20 inch barrel.

 

Had not even thought about the 30 Carbine!?!?

I did forget one...327 Fed Mag/32 H&R Mag

 

I had my .30 Carbine Blackhawk professionally shortened to 5-1/4" to make it handier to carry. Gives up very little in terms of velocity or accuracy from the 7-1/2" gun.

Factory Norma .30 Carbine 110-grain softpoints give 1612 fps, Factory lead WW2-era Remington Kleanbore in the Dogbone logo box .32-20s get 1120 fps. Same ammos in the 20-inch Bunny Gun do 2030 and 1357 fps, respectively.

VERY MUCH prefer the .30 Carbine/.32-20 combo to the .327. Carbine ammo is more common. Potential velocity with handloads is higher. Ability to use .32-20 for non-destructive small game load is a BIG plus!

 

Magnum Research BFR in 30-30, 444, or 45/70 with appropriate lever gun 👍🏻

 

No, no and no! Those could ruin my sex life…or lack thereof, however you want to look at it.

 

Once again many of us think alike. Mine are/were like this:

HANDGUN LONG GUN

Glock 19 Keltec Sub 2000 takes Glock 19mags 9mm

SW 19, 60, 66, and Marlin 1894 357/38
Ruger Blackhawk Rossi 92

Colt 1911, Ruger, Rossi 92 these wheel guns fire both 45 colt
Uberti, SW 45 acp and 45 Colt

SW M and P 22 mag Ruger Precision
Ruger SIngle Six Hentry Golden Boy 22 Mag

SW Model 915 Marlin Camp Carbine (formerly) 9mm
These took the same 9mm magazines


When we travel, I EDC the Glock 43 goes in the pocket, the Glock 19 goes in the console and the KelTec Sub 2000 going in it's own small backpack in the backseat, along with spare mags.

If we are camping the 357s handgun and carbine may go along, several of them, all using the same ammo.

The 22 mag combos are just for fun. And of course I have 22lr combos, most that I shoot suppressed, they go along a lot.


So, I like them too Barry.

Oh yes, one more.

HANDGUN LONG GUN

SW Governor Marlin 1895, RIA lever action, Mossberg pump, 410 Shotgun
H and R single shot and Stephens, side by side

And yes, I have two lever action 410 shotguns, both excellent tools. Suitable for deer at bow range, 40-50 yards.

 

I had to go a long way down the thread before coming across the .30 Carbine pairings. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who remembered them.

But there is another pairing which, although it would require a little paperwork with the BATFE, would certainly give you serious striking power: A TT-33 Tokarev pistol (I recommend the Yugoslav Model 57. but any of the Toks would do), and the PPSH-43C, the semi-auto-only "pistol" with the folding stock welded shut. You would have to fill out the paperwork to get your 43C reclassified as a short-barreled rifle. This would enable you to cut the weld so the stock can be unfolded and used as a longarm. The Tokarev's 90 grain bullet is powerful enough to kill a horse at 25 meters with one shot, and in the PPSH-43C can repeat the action at 100 meters, which means it can take down deer and similar animals. Or two-legged rats.

 

I had to go a long way down the thread before coming across the .30 Carbine pairings. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who remembered them.

But there is another pairing which, although it would require a little paperwork with the BATFE, would certainly give you serious striking power: A TT-33 Tokarev pistol (I recommend the Yugoslav Model 57. but any of the Toks would do), and the PPSH-43C, the semi-auto-only "pistol" with the folding stock welded shut. You would have to fill out the paperwork to get your 43C reclassified as a short-barreled rifle. This would enable you to cut the weld so the stock can be unfolded and used as a longarm. The Tokarev's 90 grain bullet is powerful enough to kill a horse at 25 meters with one shot, and in the PPSH-43C can repeat the action at 100 meters, which means it can take down deer and similar animals. Or two-legged rats.

I wonder why Pioneer Arms, the importer of the PPSH semi-auto pistol doesn't offer a "legal" rifle barrel version. You used to see it a lot on similar guns. Sure it would look dopey, but a Tokarev carbine has always intrigued me.

 

Any boltgun with small bolt face for .223 Rem. or .222 can be easily converted to 7.62x25

Remington 722 is threaded for can. Barrel is common .300x.308 in 4-groove Government form 1 in 10" twist. The 7.62x39 chamber has same throat as .30-'06 so that 176-grain cal. .30 Ball M1, M72/M118 Match or AP M2 pulls can be seated to normal depth and are subsonic with a case full of 4895, getting 2- inch groups at 100 yards. Ordinary commercial 7.62x25 Ball shoots X-ring ten-shot groups at 50 yards with simple iron sights. The Combloc milsurp ammo gets 2000+ fps from a 20-inch barrel, but is less accurate grouping 3-4" at 100 yards, but that is still better than expected from a typical US M1 carbine during GI Ball ammo.

 

Any boltgun with small bolt face for .223 Rem. or .222 can be easily converted to 7.62x25
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Remington 722 is threaded for can. 176-grain Ball M1, M72/M118 Match or AP M2 pulls are subsonic with a case full of 4895. Ordinary 7.62x25 Ball shoots X-ring ten-shot groups at 50 yards with simple iron sights with ballistics similar to .30 M1 Carbine.
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I am strangely aroused. . .

I LOVE all the odd caliber and platform combinations Ruger did.

 

It seems firearms and ammunitions continue to be marketed like any stock? The more the advertisements' can pursue sales of arms and ammunitions the more wealth is created ?

 

I do tend to go the one cartridge for both guns route.

When I'm on one of my morning walks,,,
If I do spot a bunny and it's close enough to me,,,
I'll try to make the shot with the handgun to test my skill.

But I see your point as well,,,
There isn't any rule about pairings,,,
It's all about what makes sense and pleases you

 

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http://www.medalnet.net/mpforty/mpforty_models.htm

MP40
Characteristics

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Caliber	9x19 mm Para
Weight	4.03 kg empty
Length (stock closed/open)	630/833 mm
Barrel Length	250 mm
Rate of Fire	500 rounds per minute
Magazine Capacity	32 rounds
Effective Range	ca. 100 meters

MP40/1
The MP40/I experimented with two - side by side 32-round magazines and was tested in 1942. The Magazines were able to slide horizontally to use the additional magazine when the first one became depleted. This design was intended to counter the superior firepower of the Soviet PPSh-41. This design however made the weapon heavy and unbalanced in the field, and did not work well. The 1943 production of the PPSh-41 reverted from a 71 round drum magazine to a 35 round box

 

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Marlin 1894 .44 mag carbine, Ruger Super Redhawk .44 mag, stainless.

 

Mines a Marlin 1894 accompanied by a Ruger 'Old' Vaquero.

 

What? I don't know if this site can handle another 'leete'

 

What other Leete are you referring to?

 

One of my favorite rifle/pistol combination and fly hunting season is happening in Washington state right now. 😂

 

Jealous.

 

I love the idea of having a combo that shares ammo and mags—super practical for a survival setup! I’ve been working on something similar with my gear. I have a Ruger PC Carbine and a Ruger pistol that share the same mags, which has come in handy more than once. A while back, I was at HuskyArmory.com checking out some of their setups, and I saw a guy who had a Sub-2000 and Glock 17 combo—he swore by how easy it made things for him in the field. It’s definitely a great setup for versatility.

 

I feel the same way...sharing Mags is a huge plus - I have a .223 AR rifle and pistol. I also have a 350 Legend rifle and pistol, the Mags are specific for the 350 Legend but have two of each 5, 10, and 20 round capacity.

 

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I have a pistol caliber carbine in .40 S&W (Beretta CX4) that shares the same mags as my Beretta 90-Two. Great HD combo with a 18.5" Mossburg 500 as backup.